Virus Conspiracy, Travel, Prepping, Bitching

[murmel]

Closing schools did have a fatal effect in Italy. KIds are heavily infected, without recognizing it. Parents need to work.
Grandparents help out.

 

[jaycoyoyo]

I've always washed my hends. I'm not going to alter my life routine unless/until something is imposed on me.

I'm going to a sold out concert on Friday - 500 person capacity venue.

Flying to a wedding next month.

My main concern of a possible quarantine is extreme boredom. I would need a lot more whiskey.

Maybe I'm crazy...

-Jay

 

[Bill Hicklin]

With numbers doubling every three days, whatever number of beds you have will just make a difference of a few days, if you are not willing to fight the new infections. Stopping travel to other places is an important step, but it won't make a difference if you don't get a grip on the situation within your country.

And how pray tell do we do that? The US is geographically larger than Europe, but without any borders that can be closed. Already the draconian panic reactions have seen two MAJOR conventions (E3 and ComicCon) canceled, and innumerable smaller ones; universities shutting down or reverting to online-only; the bloody NCAA basketball tournament being closed to spectators.... how much more of our economy should we shut down to keep the sky from falling?

This thing is just SARS redux, but being hyped like it's the Spanish Flu or the Bubonic Plague.

 

[Scooter2112]

We agreed to double check the numbers 4 weeks from now. Then we will know more. Till then I still believe it's way more deadly than the seasonal influenza, which is the question we were coming from.

At least the Italians tested way more than 10.000 people, unlike others.

Testing shmesting....doesn’t cure anything. Italy’s starting to ration treatment among their elderly population. Naturally, their mortality rate would be elevated.

 

[Bill Hicklin]

Testing accomplishes little. There is nothing to be done with any patient with a viral disease except treat the symptoms. Antibiotics kill bacteria, not viruses. Vaccines, where they exist, are only of any use pre-infection. The treatment protocols for symptoms are the same regardless of the microbial vector, and whether CV_19 is diagnosed or not.

 

[rifflearner]

What testing does is allow you to effectively quarantine clusters so they are confined.

So if you know there are, say, 5 cases in an area -- you go in and test thousands of people. You see who surprises you by showing up positive with no symptoms and you are able to quarantine them before they can spread without knowing it.

South Korea is widely recognized as a country that has had success with immediate action (although there are new cases today in Seoul, which is a scary prospect). They went into an area where there was a significant cluster, and they tested about 5,000 people. Almost 70% of the people they tested who had no symptoms at all were positive. They could then quarantine these people and prevent them from spreading further. New York has probably been the most aggressive on testing, and you see in New Rochelle where they wee able to identify a cluster and an area with testing and cordon it off.

But overall, our testing is weak right now. It's not enough to present symptoms to get a test. Meanwhile they should be going in and testing thousands of people in certain areas. But they aren't. Very sad. High volume testing is critical to managing the outbreak so certain area hospitals are not overwhelmed. Spreading out the infection rate is about all we can hope for. Social distancing is a huge component, but testing is probably the second most important factor for management and mitigation.

 

[Bill Hicklin]

Yeah, good luck imposing a quarantine in the United States. The ACLU will have a Federal injunction before lunchtime.

 

[Bill Hicklin]

Almost 70% of the people they tested who had no symptoms at all were positive.

THAT however is a highly significant figure, but not in the way you would like to see it. What it means is that the vast majority of those infected are asymptomatic or only mildly ill, and unless tested not reported as cases- which blows the "horrific fatality rate" and "ghastly hospitalization rate" calculations out of the water.

 

[DADGAD]

NBA suspended their season. Rumour is the NHL might announce it today as well.

How come the media isn’t reporting the recovered stats?

 

[pnuggett]

Canada eats more Italian food than China






per capita

 

[Alligatorbling]

My girlfriend ordered me a birthday present last week. She got an email saying the delivery will be delayed due to the virus. .... really now? Come the fuck on.

 

[CRobbins]

 

[CRobbins]

 

[Howard2k]

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NBA suspended their season. Rumour is the NHL might announce it today as well.

How come the media isn’t reporting the recovered stats?

Because the media is crap.
The recovered stats are out there, and they're positive.

If you want to know what's happening with COVID19 you need to dig around and look for information from medical professionals and scientists. Not that medical professionals and scientists cannot be wrong either of course, but you'll find it's far less agenda driven and more factual.

 

[pnuggett]

My girlfriend ordered me a birthday present last week. She got an email saying the delivery will be delayed due to the virus. .... really now? Come the fuck on.

 

[rifflearner]

THAT however is a highly significant figure, but not in the way you would like to see it. What it means is that the vast majority of those infected are asymptomatic or only mildly ill, and unless tested not reported as cases- which blows the "horrific fatality rate" and "ghastly hospitalization rate" calculations out of the water.

Keep in mind -- the people who tested positive had no symptoms/complications at the time they were tested. They were still in the incubation period. We know from South Korea's stats that a large number of those people went on get ill and require hospitalization at the same rate. They were just notified early to prevent them from spreading.

 

[rifflearner]

If you want to know what's happening with COVID19 you need to dig around and look for information from medical professionals and scientists. Not that medical professionals and scientists cannot be wrong either of course, but you'll find it's far less agenda driven and more factual.

Most all of the virus experts and medical professionals are the ones urging the sports leagues to cancel. They aren't cancelling because of the media. They are cancelling because if you have infected people in an arena of 15,000 people, there will be an outbreak. You must limit centralized outbreaks for the sake of the hospitals.

 

[MikeyTheCat]

My girlfriend ordered me a birthday present last week. She got an email saying the delivery will be delayed due to the virus. .... really now? Come the fuck on.

Happy Birthday Bling!

 

[Alligatorbling]

Happy Birthday Bling!

Thanks man!

 

[HardCore Troubadour]

No they won't go read the Constitution.....

it is the very first thing under Powers denied Congress.....Re: Habeas Corpus.

Yeah, good luck imposing a quarantine in the United States. The ACLU will have a Federal injunction before lunchtime.