Ford Mustangs in the UK

[HearHear]

Not trying to bust your chops, but what makes you think that goat would be worth that kind of money today?

You can buy them all day long for 50K or less depending on condition and options.

I'm in my 60's, been a car guy all my life and owned a bunch of the old muscle cars back when they weren't old, so I'm not unfamiliar with the market.

Don't worry about my chops. My dad would not buy a '65 GTO today for $50,000, for that price be very aware. Just because it "says" GTO on it, doesn't mean it's the genuine article. You have to be really, really careful. You're an expert so you should know this already but... Other models of Pontiac from that era are being converted to "GTO's" and sold as such today in that price range, but they aren't real GTO's. Similar, but not genuine. Many "GTO's" sold in that price range are automatics as well, not too desirable. The real '65 GTO with Tri-Power engine and manual transmission is the car in my dad's picture above. That car, numbers matching and no rust, in mint condition today would top $100,000.

I suggest you look at this page and tell me which ones you think are the genuine article, and which ones are LeMans or Tempest conversions (not genuine):

https://classiccars.com/listings/find/1965/pontiac/gto?s=price

 

[Sct13]

I work at the plant that makes the Mustang ....Seeing the right handed cars still messes with me...I can tell you that some very nice Cobra's and Gt's are heading to Australia and a whole boatload of Lincoln's are headed to China...Pretty amazing how fast that plant pumps these things out....

The Cobra's go through a special audit where one person goes through the entire car and checks off a hit list of anything that could go wrong....So do some of the top end Lincoln's

 

[Shelbyblues]

Don't worry about my chops. My dad would not buy a '65 GTO today for $50,000, for that price be very aware. Just because it "says" GTO on it, doesn't mean it's the genuine article. You have to be really, really careful. You're an expert so you should know this already but... Other models of Pontiac from that era are being converted to "GTO's" and sold as such today in that price range, but they aren't real GTO's. Similar, but not genuine. Many "GTO's" sold in that price range are automatics as well, not too desirable. The real '65 GTO with Tri-Power engine and manual transmission is the car in my dad's picture above. That car, numbers matching and no rust, in mint condition today would top $100,000.

I suggest you look at this page and tell me which ones you think are the genuine article, and which ones are LeMans or Tempest conversions (not genuine):

https://classiccars.com/listings/find/1965/pontiac/gto?s=price

Real GTO's have a 242 vin. # and I'm not going to bother to pull up ads I have looked at with real 242 numbers matching GTO's in nice shape for 50K.

In the end it's worth what some is willing to pay.

I had 69 RS Z/28 that had the JL8 4 wheel disc brake option. Only a shade over 200 were made.

Those cars bring more than a tri-power goat and they barely hit six figures in a good market.

Carry on.

 

[HearHear]

Real GTO's have a 242 vin. # and I'm not going to bother to pull up ads I have looked at with real 242 numbers matching GTO's in nice shape for 50K.

In the end it's worth what some is willing to pay.

I had 69 RS Z/28 that had the JL8 4 wheel disc brake option. Only a shade over 200 were made.

Those cars bring more than a tri-power goat and they barely hit six figures in a good market.

Carry on.

"I'm not going to bother to pull up ads" is precisely why you have no idea about the market today. I think you're full of it, honestly, not trying to be mean. You don't know today's muscle car market and you're the perfect stooge for someone trying to sell a Tempest with GTO badging. Again, not being mean.

 

[Shelbyblues]

"I'm not going to bother to pull up ads" is precisely why you have no idea about the market today. I think you're full of it, honestly, not trying to be mean. You don't know today's muscle car market and you're the perfect stooge for someone trying to sell a Tempest with GTO badging. Again, not being mean.

Son I owned cars like that before you were born.

And no I'm not wasting my time arguing about it.

Guess you missed my point about vin#'s.

 

[HearHear]

Son I owned cars like that before you were born.

And no I'm not wasting my time arguing about it.

My first car was a muscle car, a very fast '72 Buick with a V8 that I practically rebuilt myself. So please jump down off your high horse or better yet ride that Mustang pony. Peace.

 

[Shelbyblues]

My first car was a muscle car, a very fast '72 Buick with a V8 that I practically rebuilt myself. So please jump down off your high horse or better yet ride that Mustang pony. Peace.

I'm not on a high horse, just think you were being a bit optimistic as far as pricing. Anyone that would pay that kind of money....well a fool and his money must part.

I was building small block Chevy's when you were still in diapers.

Peace

 

[TheX]

Is this a good time for "I know you are but what am I?"

 

[Dolebludger]

Guys,

If I had my 64 GTO back and was offered anywhere near $50K for it, there would be a big smile on my face. In fact half that would make me smile. It cost $3400 new, and was not an impressive car by my standards now. Zero to 60 in 7.2 secs. I'd be getting outrun by Civics! Brakes and handling were a death trap. Mine had a 4 barrel carb and a three speed on the floor. Yet it outran GTOs with three twos and a four speed because those three carbs could never be set up right.

I don't know what vintage muscle cars are worth, but if I had kept that one, anything over $650 would suit me just fine.

 

[FKO]

Supposedly, the best handling saloon in that segment is the Jaguar XE, because it shares lots of its running gear with the F-Type.
Can't decide if I'm keen on Jags or not these days...

The XE's driving experience is similar to the F-Type. If you want something fun to drive with extra space, XE will be a good choice.

 

[FKO]

Jimmy T,

Good choice! I test drove the A4 before I ordered the C 43 (The S4 wasn't out yet.) My sole concern was its 252 hp might not be sufficient for it to do well up the mountains around here. (There are no dealers in the mountains here to get a mountain test drive). But it was very lively indeed in the flat lands -- more so than its hp rating would indicate. But as I recall, you don't have what we call "mountains" in the UK, and if you do, I'm sure the S4 would do you proud. I considered the Jaguar XE also (with the supercharged V6and AWD). I personally was more than a bit put off by lack of room in the back seat (I wanted a sedan that would really haul adult passengers).

Did you try the XF? It's spacious all round and has plenty of torque with the V6. Was impressed and very tempted to buying one after testing it.

 

[JimmyT]

Did you try the XF? It's spacious all round and has plenty of torque with the V6. Was impressed and very tempted to buying one after testing it.

Yeah, XF is a very nice car, just a little too big for where I live. I drive a 4 Series, and that's a pain in the arse to thread through the village.
The XE is just a little underwhelming, inside and out, in comparison equivalent BMWs, Audis and Mercedes.

 

[JCM900MkIII]

This was a local dealer of American classic cars (Nieuwleusen, The Netherlands). Sadly his business burned down to the ground. Only the reds survived. Probably arson.
He also a had a few very nice Chevy trucks...
The one with the Cali license plates was his latest acquisition.

 

[HearHear]

Guys,

If I had my 64 GTO back and was offered anywhere near $50K for it, there would be a big smile on my face. In fact half that would make me smile. It cost $3400 new, and was not an impressive car by my standards now. Zero to 60 in 7.2 secs. I'd be getting outrun by Civics! Brakes and handling were a death trap. Mine had a 4 barrel carb and a three speed on the floor. Yet it outran GTOs with three twos and a four speed because those three carbs could never be set up right.

I don't know what vintage muscle cars are worth, but if I had kept that one, anything over $650 would suit me just fine.

Please see:

https://classiccars.com/listings/find/1965/pontiac/gto?s=price

Vintage muscle cars (genuine articles) from the '60's will command a premium price today in good condition. My dad's GTO was less than $4,000 brand new.

 

[kherman]

Some very nice classic mustangs there, jcm900mkiii.

 

[J-Dizzle]

Why I find this hilarious is because the Mustang, from 1964 onwards, was always supposed to be a cheap, fast and fun "sports car for the masses". It was never meant to be an expensive luxury machine

maybe you'd better get Ford on the phone then because thats not the price point they sell Mustangs at overseas in places like Australia & the UK.

You guys can get sporty cars like Camaros and Mustangs for cheap in the US but elsewhere its pure extortion.

 

[Shelbyblues]

Guys,

I don't know what vintage muscle cars are worth, but if I had kept that one, anything over $650 would suit me just fine.

Not all, but a lot of CC dealers are consignment dealers. They inflate the price because they are making money on those cars with the monthly fee they charge even if they don't sell them.

As I previously stated, in the end it's worth what someone is willing to pay.

If someone is willing to pay twice as much as it's worth... so be it.

They say there's a sucker born every minute.

 

[MenaceMartin]

We get the poor end of the bargain when it comes to US/UK pricing. A $2799 Les Paul for instance will cost £2699 here, for the same guitar. Exchange rates don't come into the scheme of things as directly as you'd think.

Not to mention the new road tax bracketing that's just come into effect in the UK. Basically, if you purchase a car worth over £40k, your wallet is gonna get raped... 5.0L V8? Look's like you'd need to fork out an extra £450 per year for 5 years just to keep it taxed.

Then there's the petrol prices and insurance. It's not a cheap motor! There are far better cars in the UK which cost far less than what they're asking.

 

[JimmyT]

I would imagine the VAT would be the major Tax on a new Car in England.

That sits at 20% & applies to the new Car & anything associated with the actual Sale of that new Car; e.g. Dealer Fees etc. etc.

But it's more like 40-45% more expensive in the UK.

 

[JimmyT]

We get the poor end of the bargain when it comes to US/UK pricing. A $2799 Les Paul for instance will cost £2699 here, for the same guitar. Exchange rates don't come into the scheme of things as directly as you'd think.

Not to mention the new road tax bracketing that's just come into effect in the UK. Basically, if you purchase a car worth over £40k, your wallet is gonna get raped... 5.0L V8? Look's like you'd need to fork out an extra £450 per year for 5 years just to keep it taxed.

Then there's the petrol prices and insurance. It's not a cheap motor! There are far better cars in the UK which cost far less than what they're asking.

Hands down the worst thing about motoring in the UK is the fact that the governments of the last 20 years have been getting everyone to buy diesels over petrol, using road tax as an incentive, to the point when most manufacturers have stopped selling petrol engines here (bar the high performance models). Now, the government has decided that diesel is evil, but everyone's bought one and the manufactures don't offer any alternatives.
Want a Volvo? it has to be diesel. Want a Mercedes? It's either a V8 or a diesel. ect. ect.