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How much would you like to spend?
Between 500-700

What's the absolutely most you will spend?
800

How many years have you played guitar?
7 years

Do you seek tone quality or versatility?
Tone quality, but a little bit of versatility.

What is your primary guitar (include pup type and configuration)?
Ibanez s520 ex, Fender Mexican Strat, both stock pick ups.

What style(s) of music do you primarily play?
Post-hardcore, indie, punk, metalcore

What one guitarist do you wish to emulate?
John Mayer

Do you prefer to plug straight in, or will you be using effects?
plug straight, but can go well with pedals. Have a distortion, boss dd-7 delay and morley wah, so that will be no problem if it doesn’t have many channels.

What will be the primary use of the amp?
bedroom/living room
jam with friends, small gigs (basements, garages, maybe small venues, mostly 30-40 people).

Do you prefer a combo or head/cabinet (and why)?
Combo, as I don’t have to pay for two components, easier to lug around, and usually play shows with other bands who are usually willing to lend me a cab for a set.

What amplifier(s) do you have/had and why do you want a change?
Crate rfx65, solid state, it sounded like utter garbage. I only really used the clean channel, which was terrible, and ran pedals through it. I basically spent 400 on it, only to find that the crunch and high gain channels and the eq settings, the built in efx were virtually useless. Most of the tones on either channels were too muddy, nothing cut through, and the clean channel sounded dead and lifeless. No sparkle or warmth in it. It sounded way too compressed and “scratchy”. Even as a solid state, it could not even play the genres of metal/core I wanted (muddy, nothing cut through). The only good thing about it was that it was loud enough to cut through the PA.
What I want: sparkly, Vox-like clean. Doesn’t have to be exact, but the ability to get something close. And for crunch, I want saturation, but not ridiculous amounts. Just enough to boost with another pedal.

Please list five amps (minimum) that you have researched
Peavey Valveking 112 combo:
Like: clean boost, could play metalcore
Dislike: clean channel was pretty ratty sounding, and although it had some of that chimeyness, it sounded really frail and trebly, almost like ice pick, shattering glass quality. Even the distorted tones did not sound that organic, and it was hard to get a distorted sounded that didn’t have that fizzy, trebly quality. IT was distortion, but a very wild, thin version that could not do for chugging type riffs.

Orange tiny terror combo:
Like: clean with strat.
Dislike: clean with Ibanez sounded way too chunky and muddy. The price was also pretty bad for having no EQ and no real other features other than the 15 to 7 watt. Would have rather opted for three band eq without the ability to switch. I didn’t know how to get a metal tone out of it (though many on youtube have, so it’s a dislike until I can figure out a way to do that).

VOx AC15:
Like: oh man the clean channel was AMAZING. The clean chimey tones I could get.. it made my Ibanez even sound like a strat! The chimey, and “clickiness” of the note response It gave me that twang, and spank that I was looking for in the clean sound. And the top boost overdrive let me get a lot of classic rock tone, or some dirtier blues sounds
Dislike: metal. Cannot do anything hi gain. Can’t even attempt to do anything modern. Tried pedals and eq’s etc, nothing worked.

Egnater Rebel 30:
Like: clean’s, I got so many features and ways to tweak the cleans using the tube dial feature and the wattage dial. I was okay with the overdrive sound
Dislike: too many options and price point didn’t make it worthwhile to try and get it just for the clean sound. It could not give me enough distortion for metal, and even when putting a pedal through it, I could not get.

Thanks for reading guys, and hopefuly this helps you help me decide...
 
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I can't help if you are set on a combo. Otherwise a Vox night train fits the bill. You won't be lugging it either.
 

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May I interest you in a used Mesa/Boogie Studio .22, or DC2 combo? They usually sell within or below the pricerange you mentioned, can do metal up your ass, and are pretty versatile. Which one is for you? The .22 is "dirtier" sounding, not as creamy as the DC2. It is also simpler with a shared EQ, and optional 5-band Graphic EQ. Great cleans, great reverb on both amps. The DC will sound smooth, and it has 2 independent EQ's, with an optional Graphic EQ as well. Both are EL84 based, so you know how they do, have FX loops, sound good in a bedroom setting, but can be cranked for gigs.

Check out your local Craigslist, or eBay listings. Don't pay more than $600 for either one, unless they come in a custom cabinet.
 

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I can vouch. Boogie 22. Cal. Combo rocks.
 

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I can't help if you are set on a combo. Otherwise a Vox night train fits the bill. You won't be lugging it either.

I thought about that... Hmm.. can you reccomend me a cab to get with it? And do you know if its footswitchable??

As for the other reccs so far, I can't find any of those Mesa's on the market... Perhaps they are so good no-one wnats to part with them...? =(
 

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Blackheart Handsome Devil Combo. Great classic tones, takes pedals well. Good for cleans, bluesy grit, classic rock, old punk, and darn near anything with a pedal. If you get the chance, check one out.
 
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I thought about that... Hmm.. can you reccomend me a cab to get with it? And do you know if its footswitchable??

As for the other reccs so far, I can't find any of those Mesa's on the market... Perhaps they are so good no-one wnats to part with them...? =(

They are not foot switchable. I use a Fender band master 2x12 cab with 80 watt celestion speakers. I think I got it for under $200 new at Sam Ash. I handles the cleans really well and does a great job on the dirty. The single 12 that is available for the night train is a good option too.
 

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I thought about that... Hmm.. can you reccomend me a cab to get with it? And do you know if its footswitchable??

As for the other reccs so far, I can't find any of those Mesa's on the market... Perhaps they are so good no-one wnats to part with them...? =(

Sadly no it's not footswitchable, it has a bright and thick channel, but on the thick channel the EQ settings are bypassed. It also doesn't have any fx loops. Other then that the high gain capacity on the little guy is staggering. The cleans are very jangly, but also a bit brittle when you up the volume on it I find. Still when you push the gain on the bright setting, it runs with a texas blues lead tone.

I'm a little surprised you said the rebel 30 didn't have enough gain for metal as I own one myself and it has a ton of gain to spare. I never use it passed the 1 o'clock setting.

Kind of surprised when you mention that you like to play punk, metal hardcore and etc then say you wanted to emulate John Mayer who is most of the time I see playing blues.

Anyways, typically when you want an amp that has high gain metal tones built in you usually have to suffer in the clean department. And likewise for the other side. I recommend either going for a clean sounding amp like the AC15 you mentioned and using a metal zone pedal to get the metal tones you want. Or another suggestion I have is saving up a little bit and buy a used Mesa Express 5:25 or 5:50. Those amps have fantastic cleans and have 4 different voicings. The Burn channel itself is where the metal tones usually hang around. I purchased my 5:25 off ebay for $799US and it's the best amp I own.

Anyways good luck on your search.
 

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Sadly no it's not footswitchable, it has a bright and thick channel, but on the thick channel the EQ settings are bypassed. It also doesn't have any fx loops. Other then that the high gain capacity on the little guy is staggering. The cleans are very jangly, but also a bit brittle when you up the volume on it I find. Still when you push the gain on the bright setting, it runs with a texas blues lead tone.

I'm a little surprised you said the rebel 30 didn't have enough gain for metal as I own one myself and it has a ton of gain to spare. I never use it passed the 1 o'clock setting.

Kind of surprised when you mention that you like to play punk, metal hardcore and etc then say you wanted to emulate John Mayer who is most of the time I see playing blues.

Anyways, typically when you want an amp that has high gain metal tones built in you usually have to suffer in the clean department. And likewise for the other side. I recommend either going for a clean sounding amp like the AC15 you mentioned and using a metal zone pedal to get the metal tones you want. Or another suggestion I have is saving up a little bit and buy a used Mesa Express 5:25 or 5:50. Those amps have fantastic cleans and have 4 different voicings. The Burn channel itself is where the metal tones usually hang around. I purchased my 5:25 off ebay for $799US and it's the best amp I own.

Anyways good luck on your search.

It could be that I didn't know how to use it. I asked the guy at a shop near my house, and he couldn't seem to get what I wanted. I'm thinking anywhere from like old school thrash (Testament, Megadeth) to say As I Lay Dying metalcore, and I couldn't dial that in. As for the Mesa's, I'd love to wait, but my band starts playing shows the week we get back for school, and I just sold my Crate amp today for 200... so yeah. But thanks for helping me out, everyone.
 

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Sadly no it's not footswitchable, it has a bright and thick channel, but on the thick channel the EQ settings are bypassed. It also doesn't have any fx loops. Other then that the high gain capacity on the little guy is staggering. The cleans are very jangly, but also a bit brittle when you up the volume on it I find. Still when you push the gain on the bright setting, it runs with a texas blues lead tone.

I'm a little surprised you said the rebel 30 didn't have enough gain for metal as I own one myself and it has a ton of gain to spare. I never use it passed the 1 o'clock setting.

Kind of surprised when you mention that you like to play punk, metal hardcore and etc then say you wanted to emulate John Mayer who is most of the time I see playing blues.

Anyways, typically when you want an amp that has high gain metal tones built in you usually have to suffer in the clean department. And likewise for the other side. I recommend either going for a clean sounding amp like the AC15 you mentioned and using a metal zone pedal to get the metal tones you want. Or another suggestion I have is saving up a little bit and buy a used Mesa Express 5:25 or 5:50. Those amps have fantastic cleans and have 4 different voicings. The Burn channel itself is where the metal tones usually hang around. I purchased my 5:25 off ebay for $799US and it's the best amp I own.

Anyways good luck on your search.

As for the John Mayer thing... He's got chops... That live DVD where he's covering Jimi's Wait Until Tomorrow, sounds AMAZING. Thats basically my go-to riff, Mayer style, when trying out the clean channels. That epitomizes what I look for in a clean channel...
 

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As for the John Mayer thing... He's got chops... That live DVD where he's covering Jimi's Wait Until Tomorrow, sounds AMAZING. Thats basically my go-to riff, Mayer style, when trying out the clean channels. That epitomizes what I look for in a clean channel...

Ah that explains some. If I recall Mayer's hero is Stevie Ray Vaughan, which is who I try to emulate.

If you get a chance to get a hold of a rebel 30 again try dialing the gain to nearly 4 o'clock and scoop the mids to about 8:30, Treble at 2 and Bass at near max. As for the tube mix I use either full 6V6 or 50/50 and you'll get a good metal tone out of the sucker. Switch to full on EL84 for a bit of a treble top end. Oh and hit the tight switch on, and adjust volume accordingly. It will blow your ears off!:wow:
 

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I heard some of the amp demo's and it sounds great. Any comparisons to the Ht-20 by BlackSTAR (not Blackheart)? New the Blackstar is a bit cheaper, especially after musiciansfriend no sales tax and free shipping. Any ideas?

I am currently leaning towards the new... though I know Mesa has the name and reliability already under its name..
 

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I totally forgot about Blackstar. Yes they are popular among metal players. I haven't personal owned one, but they do the metal very nicely. There cleans however are very thick. Well on the HT-20 I saw in a store. I think the HT-20 has ISP control or something. No idea what that's all about.
 

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people will whine about the brand but I really don't care - this will do everything what you want:

Bugera 333XL 212 Guitar Combo Amplifier at AmericanMusical.com

sparkling clean, great crunch, and all-out metal brutality, no dirt pedals needed - plus it has an effects loop too, so you can throw in a delay, chorus, etc.

this video is the head version(versus a Mesa Boogie Dual Rec!), but the actual amp is identical:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDkvAkPcEk8[/ame]
 

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I'd back up Bugera. I wouldn't travel with one, but I'd definitely play them. They're effectively Peavey clones and pretty darn good ones at that.
 

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people will whine about the brand but I really don't care - this will do everything what you want:

Bugera 333XL 212 Guitar Combo Amplifier at AmericanMusical.com

sparkling clean, great crunch, and all-out metal brutality, no dirt pedals needed - plus it has an effects loop too, so you can throw in a delay, chorus, etc.

this video is the head version(versus a Mesa Boogie Dual Rec!), but the actual amp is identical:

YouTube - Bugera 333XL VS Mesa Dual Rectifier RK.

I did try these out. I was not a fan of the overdrive channel, and the high gain channel was good I suppose. The clean channel was not really doing it for me either, almost like the bright mode switch on the Peavey Valveking.

I guess I should be more specific. I think you guys may have the wrong idea: I'm not going to be playing a metal/core band, I just wanted an amp with good clean sound that I could possible boost to get a metal chug sound. The Bugera is great from the metal sounds on the third channel. I guess the only real qualm I'd have about it is spending this cash on what would be lower end product. I mean, sure the Blackstar is low end, but this particular Bugera has this lo-fi, gaudy quality that is akin to the solid-state Crate I owned previously... I don't know, maybe I'm being a snob! But either way, I'll try it out again.
 

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I haven't played the HT-20, but on the HT-5 the ISF control simulates going from a British sound to an American sound. Kind of a cool circuit, if that is important to you.

If the HT-20 is anything like the HT-5, the cleans are certainly nothing to write home about. I thought the Mesa Roadster I used to have had way better cleans, and went a lot harsher towards the metal end. (Of course, at $1600 more than the HT-5 for just the head, it should offer more!) Its cleans don't bother me too much, but I've been more interested in classic hard rock lately which the HT-5 does in spades. I guess you would have to try the HT-20 out to see if it works for you. Everyone has their own preferences.

David
 

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this particular Bugera has this lo-fi, gaudy quality that is akin to the solid-state Crate I owned previously...


no offense(but as soon as someone says that... it's too late), but if the one you tried sounded like a solid state Crate, then it was defective, or it wasn't dialed in worth a crap. If it was at GC, then most likely both. LOL
 

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