*yawn* Russian fighter jets escorted US Air Force bomber after it reportedly approached Russian airspace

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Exactly the same thing is happening worldwide with submarines too; all part of the never-ending chess game.
 

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You ought to see what goes on routinely between US and NK forces at the 38th parallel. 70 years of shit that never makes the news.
You know far, far more than I do, and what I know gives me the willies. Ever hear the one about the NK platoon which decided to go for a march on Seoul's Bugak Skyway?

When I was in high school, my girlfriend's dad got orders to to Yongsan in Seoul after he finished Air War College. Since she is 4th-generation Chinese-American, I asked her to stay on post if anything seemed funny with NK. But since that was a constant, it wasn't very practical.

Sometimes I had nightmares that the North was invading, and South Koreans were trying to get on post; something like the US Embassy when Saigon was falling. I woke up after seeing an MP ignoring her DoD dependent card, thinking she was a Korean trying to slip in, and shoving her to the ground.

Ugh. Around 6-7 years later, her dad was a military attache to the mainland Chinese military. He and a captain were arrested for espionage and held for a week or so. I was a bit unnerved when I read the article.
 

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Exactly the same thing is happening worldwide with submarines too; all part of the never-ending chess game.
Once nuke subs went operational, US fast-attack subs "played" with Soviet subs until the collapse. I put that in quotes because it was serious business, and I'm told that more than a few sailors -- on both sides -- died. I have my concerns with the military-industrial complex, but it was the proximate cause of the USSR's collapse.

I don't know what the degree of US/Russia sub interaction is, but I understand that it is heating up with China. I'm a lot more bothered by the Chinese.

A lot of keyboard kommandos like to talk tough about a war with China, but they are all fools because of the economic damage the US would have in case of a war with China, and that doesn't include the deaths of soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines. They are also cowards because they won't be the ones fighting and dying. They remind me of yapping Chihuahuas.

When I heard about China's threat to nuke Japan if Japan supported Taiwan, and then the nuke threat against Australia... Let's just say that if there were a needle in my ass, you would not have been able to pull it out with a tractor.
 

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Once nuke subs went operational, US fast-attack subs "played" with Soviet subs until the collapse. I put that in quotes because it was serious business, and I'm told that more than a few sailors -- on both sides -- died. I have my concerns with the military-industrial complex, but it was the proximate cause of the USSR's collapse.

I don't know what the degree of US/Russia sub interaction is, but I understand that it is heating up with China. I'm a lot more bothered by the Chinese.

A lot of keyboard kommandos like to talk tough about a war with China, but they are all fools because of the economic damage the US would have in case of a war with China, and that doesn't include the deaths of soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines. They are also cowards because they won't be the ones fighting and dying. They remind me of yapping Chihuahuas.

When I heard about China's threat to nuke Japan if Japan supported Taiwan, and then the nuke threat against Australia... Let's just say that if there were a needle in my ass, you would not have been able to pull it out with a tractor.
Wise words Sir!
 

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This sort of stuff happens constantly on both sides... I live in Poland so it's quite normal to see a small footnote in the news about Su-35s being escorted for getting a bit too close to our border on the baltic side, or on aviation forums, and the same goes the other way. We're not as hateful as the narrative wants us to be. Mostly it's a matter of pilots being really proud of their machine and having an admiration of sorts for the ones your "rival" flies. At least that's what my pilot friends told me when I was young. Maybe it's only for the ones I talked to. It's not uncommon to have a little "airshow" unofficially done at these situations. Have you seen them perform a Cobra maneuver? It's fun to watch and something you remember.

Mostly it's a fun experience for the pilots, they get to take a closeup pic of the other machine. Not newsworthy or a big deal. It's been happening since the 50s. In the 70s we had the full flight path of SR71s and apparently quite a lot of people would seek them out and look at them blast past the country for a couple of minutes. Really just a dot in the sky at the altitudes they were flying, but apparently you could hear them.

Edit: Of course officially, it's a "probe". Nobody takes it too seriously.

Su-27s are a real beauty... and they're absolutely MASSIVE up close.
 

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True, but a Su-27 looks like nine months after some F-15s, F-14s, and F-16s went on a three-day drunk.
Physics are the same for engineers of all nationalities :). Just like the F-35 design was based on the Yak-141, the F-15 was a response to the MiG-25, or how all the first "proper" jets looked mysteriously like a certain German prototype captured in 1945. In the end, all beautiful machines with impressive AF specs and possibilities. Nice to have an opportunity to see them from time to time. It's sad that these things are created in anger, but everyone involved benefits... so many great technologies start with military purposes.
 

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Yeah, I don't run to bunkers over a little drama. Neither does Rob.

run to bunkers...pfft.
Ain't no telling what one may find out there in the dirt....

:cool2:
 

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Yeah, that shit happens all the time.... They don't want none of us and we don't want none of them. It ain't gonna happen...

Routine dance.... and a BUFF? It's like a smoking big ass building in the sky....

Much to do about nothing....
 

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This sort of stuff happens constantly on both sides... I live in Poland so it's quite normal to see a small footnote in the news about Su-35s being escorted for getting a bit too close to our border on the baltic side, or on aviation forums, and the same goes the other way. We're not as hateful as the narrative wants us to be. Mostly it's a matter of pilots being really proud of their machine and having an admiration of sorts for the ones your "rival" flies. At least that's what my pilot friends told me when I was young. Maybe it's only for the ones I talked to. It's not uncommon to have a little "airshow" unofficially done at these situations. Have you seen them perform a Cobra maneuver? It's fun to watch and something you remember.

Mostly it's a fun experience for the pilots, they get to take a closeup pic of the other machine. Not newsworthy or a big deal. It's been happening since the 50s. In the 70s we had the full flight path of SR71s and apparently quite a lot of people would seek them out and look at them blast past the country for a couple of minutes. Really just a dot in the sky at the altitudes they were flying, but apparently you could hear them.

Edit: Of course officially, it's a "probe". Nobody takes it too seriously.

Su-27s are a real beauty... and they're absolutely MASSIVE up close.
I have a family member who was an aircrewman - he said this happened so often that they saw some of the guys on the other side repeatedly, and had names for them.
 

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around midnight on the korean DMZ you could hear blasting underground,North korea building tunnels to come up on the south side and attack seoul.there was some shit going on back in the late 70s.
 

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Physics are the same for engineers of all nationalities :). Just like the F-35 design was based on the Yak-141, the F-15 was a response to the MiG-25, or how all the first "proper" jets looked mysteriously like a certain German prototype captured in 1945. In the end, all beautiful machines with impressive AF specs and possibilities. Nice to have an opportunity to see them from time to time. It's sad that these things are created in anger, but everyone involved benefits... so many great technologies start with military purposes.
Sure, there is rip-off and "borrow" on both sides, but damn... Lemme have fun with the airplane orgy!
 

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I am friends with a number of Air National Guard pilots here on the east coast, and I've heard story after story of Soviet aircraft probing the Atlantic coast seeing how far inland they can come before they pick up an escort. It's a never-ending game of cat and mouse, burning up defense funding in the form of JP-8.
I think that after a while they get to know each other. Exchange recipes, talk shit about each others' wives, that kind of thing.
 

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You ought to see what goes on routinely between US and NK forces at the 38th parallel. 70 years of shit that never makes the news.
If the tales I've been told are even half true, But I'm going to chalk them up to just stories because we've never crossed the border.
 

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Thought first, "i thought politics was verbotten?"
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Given that your nation is over 200years old by now (an infant still for European/Asian standards, but.. nonetheless) and as such some collective wisdom is by now to be expected, it might be time to consider why you are or are meant to be constantly fixated with:
- the big bad bear
- the nasty yellow man
- the nasty brown(ish) man
- the big bad bear

And whether, just maybe, you'd do your individual selves a favour by abstaining; least until you've given it all a good thought or two.

Had to be mentioned, much as it may be unpleasant.
So: you believe that because you live in a part of the world that has been "civilized" for such a lengthy period of time, that you-- the residents of that locality-- are yourselves eons wiser than people from another nation?

Don't make me laugh! You think we haven't been seeing what's cooking in your country or something? You need to can it, man-- you've got NO room to talk.

I also believe that you just provided us with a metaphorical picture of racism and jingoism among US citizens and the majority of this website, and you did so in a manner that would have been demeaning even were the accusations themselves not about as odious as what we've heard from totalitarian nations.

What made it worse was the unctuous tone you took... as though you were addressing children.

Sorry, but you aren't getting away with it, much as it may be unpleasant. :thumb:

And BTW: nobody in this country gives a hoot what you prescribe whereas news coverage is concerned.

I don't suppose we need any advice from you whatsoever, frankly.

But if you felt as though you needed to provide us with something that might be worthwhile, you'd probably save yourself some time by showing a little respect as you provided us with your valuable opinion.

--R
 
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