Why does gibson fail to provide replacement COA's

toymaker

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I just don't understand how a company as big as gibson just doesn't seem to "get it" in direct customer service, specifically in their custom shop-historics.

By far the biggest complaint are lost COA's (at least based on the post here). How can they fail to see the need to develop a program to assist owners with this and implement it.

Granted, they will provide limited support if you are lucky, are the original owner who bought in the US from a gibson authorized dealer and have proof of purchase. But what about second hand buyers, your just screwed.

Let's replace the name gibson with another company, say GM. Now try telling GM won't provide assistance with verifying authenticity of my purchase (let's cal it a corvette instead of a lester), because I bought from a prior end user. I'd say GM would hear about it from many people.

I get that Gibson makes absolutely 0 on 2nd hand purchases, I get that they have no way to solidly verify a guitar is real via emailed pix and I understand all of this cost money, but consider this:

-resale matters to primary buyers, I pay 5k for something at a authorized dealer, I like knowing there is a strong secondary market. By helping EVERYONE gibson aids this market.

-2nd hand buyers today can be tommorowers converts-promoters, treat them right and mabeye they buy 1st hand (espc if you boost the 2nd hand market to a point that new is viewed as a cost effective alternative to used)

-make it a secondary profit center, charge 99 to 199 for a inspection-verification and replacement COA. You don't need a lot of employees to do this, and the few you would need could earn their keep pretty quickly.

I mean seriously, your selling a PREMIUM product, make it feel like it. Apple makes buyers feel warm and comfy about paying 3x the cost of a dell by providing wonderful service (mostly) in their store. Chipolte gets 7 bucks for the same burrito the taco truck down the street sells for 4 by providing an inviting enviroment. Gibson needs to get with the program here. I don't expect them to do more than others or be the best, above avg would be great though.

Even if they offered the replacement COA via their custom shop trailer it would be a start. Gets current owners into view new offerings, drives foot traffic for their dealers and gives everyone a positive feeling.

Well, enough of my rant for the day....
 

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I believe they do offer replacements but you have to send the guitar back to Gibson so they can read the chip inside the neck and verify it. Obviously it's not much use to people who live abroad or can't ship it etc, but they can't just send out COA to anyone who calls up and asks for one.
 

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I'm liking the way Gibson handles it. As the owner of a Custom Shop Les Paul Custom, I want some strict controls over replacement of the Certificate of Authenticity to protect the value of my investment.
 

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Yup..they do provide COA, but you have to send it in for authentication. :slash:
 

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Yup..they do provide COA, but you have to send it in for authentication. :slash:

Not anymore. At least not for the guitars with an RFID chip. I tried getting one for my 2007 G0 (lost by GC) and they told me they no longer reissue them. They will authenticate the guitar by email with detailed pictures, etc but that's it.

Remember, they don't care about second/third/fourth owners since they make $0 from the sale. Why should they offer to do something like that for free when they get nothing out of it? As long as they can authenticate it for the original owner, that's all that really matters (and all they care about).
 

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They currently do not offer replacement COA's (to my knowledge and based on my experience and other posters).

They did in the past to original owners from authorized dealers with receipt.

Now they allegedly offer a letter from the company only, no COA. Similar to what PRS will do (confirm serial number and specs on a guitar-ie if it had a one off color or BRW board).
 

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How does this PROTECT the value? As pointed out, forgers have little problem making these COA's, just like they have little trouble making water decals for vintage fenders. My thought requires a strict verification.right now an e-mail based on pix is worthless IMHO, so I copied the serial number off a legit Gibson-is matching the finish that much more difficult. Pix only help if gibson has pix of the orig to compare details and not just verify iced tea is the color shown in the pix.

By offering a service where it can be verified by a gibson rep, and both buyer and seller are sure of authenticity, THEN you have secured value.

Like I said, even offering this for a cost or via the custom shop trailer reps.

I a. Don't care about COA's or b. Exepect this to be free, but offering the service would be nice.
 

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Seems pretty simple. If you like the option of selling your LP someday, then don't lose the COA. If you want to buy a LP that you might want to sell later, buy one with COA. Whats the problem?
 

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From my post in the other thread, sending your guitar back to Gibson will only get you a letter verifying it as a Gibson product....not a COA.

I just had the same problem with GC. In my case, I was cognicent enough to make the store write on my reciept that they owe me a COA. it held them accountable enough that my store manager has offered to refund a dollar amount (equivelent to the value of selling one without a COA) or refund my entire purchase. The manager is a stand up guy, for sure.

I would, also, like for Gibson to offer the service of replacing COA's as a customer pay program...however, I can see that it just doesn't make business sence for them to do so.
Not enough business, to justify the financial outlay of setting up such a program to do so.
I would love to be wrong.....but, I just don't see it happening. :sadwave:

If your MM Stinger doesn't have a COA and you could loose a sale, or thousands of dollars. That's when a COA is NOT over rated......however, with a run of the mill historic....a COA's importance is up to the buyer.
 

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How did you come about the data showing that the "...by far the biggest complaint..."?
I'd be interested.
 

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So forge one. It'd be just as meaningful as one issued by Gibson that didn't require the guitar making a round trip to the factory.

IF I cared, as a collector I would want the ORIGINAL COA anyway. If the collector from whom I bought the guitar couldn't keep track of the COA, how would I know the hang tags, cable, or even case were original? All or nothing, man.
 

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Maybe they need to slap GC's hands and start a program where all that stuff stays in the case!
 

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Maybe they need to slap GC's hands and start a program where all that stuff stays in the case!

It wouldn't be very difficult to set up a program so that matching a case (with all its case candy) in back-storage to the display out front could be done by numbers.
 

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I REALLY cannot understand this obsession with COAs:dunno: These are musical instruments we play. These are NOT stamps, coins etc.

Enjoy the guitars;:dude: play, create music. The hell with COAs. For every guitar player that won't buy/pay for a guitar missing a COA, there are plenty that do not care. All they want is a good guitar, not the paper that's included.:dude:
 

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I REALLY cannot understand this obsession with COAs:dunno: These are musical instruments we play. These are NOT stamps, coins etc.

Enjoy the guitars;:dude: play, create music. The hell with COAs. For every guitar player that won't buy/pay for a guitar missing a COA, there are plenty that do not care. All they want is a good guitar, not the paper that's included.:dude:

Vive la difference! :thumb:

But sadly, you will be frustrated until Gibson no longer provides a COA with each new guitar purchase.
Just like buying a used car....people want reciepts of the work/maintainence that has been done to the vehicle. Not to mention a title.

.....it's just the way it is.......
 

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How did you come about the data showing that the "...by far the biggest complaint..."?
I'd be interested.

Personal observation and number of post of upset posters about the difficulty in getting a straight answer.

Got anything to show I''m wrong about this being a popular issue, I'm all ears and willing to admit I am wrong and its not a popular concern.

And as I have said before, personally it means little to me, but to some it does. When I buy something, I want as wide a resale market as possible. Will I lose sleep over a lost COA, no. Will some people not buy a guitar over a piece of paper, yes.

As a company, I feel gibson owes people who spend 4K or more a little more, that's all.
 

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As a company, I feel gibson owes people who spend 4K or more a little more, that's all.

I'm gonna have to, respectfully, disagree with this statement. :)

The only thing Gibson owes us is a great guitar, for our money. :wave:


djeffris said:
When I buy something, I want as wide a resale market as possible.

However, this statement personafies my view of the COA discussion.
 

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LPcollector- agree with your last post. I guess here is my complaint.

I buy a vette, I can control the maintnance records, the ppwk, the damn original plastic on the seats if I wanted to. I can't control if I buy that same car used and want to verify if the owner is telling me the truth about it being originally painted canary yellow.

I call GM and say, look-a seller is offering me a mint vette, and I know this is a paint color that wasn't offered that year. Seller says it was a one-off, done for him as he was the son of GM that year. Can you provide a COA as you have the ability to prove-disprove the reliability of that data and they ignore me.

Its extreme, but your doing both the buyer and seller a disservice. How does this hurt the company, helping its customers?
 

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Maybe they need to slap GC's hands and start a program where all that stuff stays in the case!

Yea, slap the hand that feeds you...I don't hold out hope for that. By far the worst offender in my opin is GC
 

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