60Th Anniversary R9
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- Jan 22, 2018
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Looking at those bursts it appears the cutaway isn't deep enough on the Historics.
The vintage cutaways also seem to be shaped slightly differently too???
Are my old eyes seeing things?
You are correct. Some people think that the Historic pickguard doesn't extend close enough to the cutaway when in fact the cutaway itself is the problem because it isn't as deep as it should be.
Compare the cutaways in the image below. The cutaway of the 'burst starts lower on the neck and has a tighter radius where it curves inward towards the pickguard
That taper on the bridge pickup cutout is actually vintage-correct. I have a template made from an original 1958 burst pickguard and it has the same flare. Back then the templates where probably cut by hand by the tool maker and so things aren't always square and parallel.
This is the 1958 pickguard from which I made my template:
Yeah, but they do make those to be a tight tolerance though.As my avatar suggests, I took mine of because the guitar looks better without it IMHO.But then again, I'm not any kind of collector, just an aficionado. But I just went back and looked at pics I took before I removed the guard and it fit as tight as dick's hatband against the neck and pickup rings - and it's a lowly 2017 Studio Deluxe.
I'm not overly concerned about perfect fitment of things like pick guards, pickup rings, etc. - in fact IMHO that randomness reflects the character that handmade stuff has.Yeah, but they do make those to be a tight tolerance though.
And they deliberately fit them so the pickups are in the same place - unlike the vintage ones (and assumedly the RI guitars) where the pickup fitment was almost 'random'. So you'd get some really accurate and others a bit wonky.
I have a ‘68 RI LP Custom and the pick guard does not cover the binding. It sits right below it. I like it that rather than having it completely cover the binding like the one above. Either way it’s nothing to really sweat.
Incorrect.With this kind of remark you're kind of insulting the OP.
This is totally unnecessary.
Yup, I just bought VOS ‘58 and notice the high E string is farther from the edge then the low E, all the strings are perfectly centered on the saddles, they obviously were not paying attention to the edge of the fretboard, did you have to buy replacement saddles or did Gibson supply them?On recent historics I have thought it was both for the accurate gap at the neck pickup and on some it was sloppy assembly.
A couple current real '59s for sale on reverb look like they were fairly well fitted but you can see the neck pickup gap.
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There were two things I would improve on the current models: This pick guard fitting issue and the guy cutting the bridge saddles. I know he was trying to center the strings over the pole pieces but the location of the slots was not consistent for string spacing. I prefer the strings centered on the neck (equal distance of high and low E strings from edge of fretboard with equal spacing between the strings) and not worry as much about pole piece alignment. I know that is OCD but I had to replace and recut the saddles on about half of the new guitars I received this year.
I see many people....an ever increasing number as the 'internet expert' phenomenon gain strength.....
The thought is that as it is the most expensive line, the Reissues must be 'perfect'. Where the RI line is actually about recreating a guitar from the most inconsistent period in terms of physical consistency
Gibson can choose to do whatever vintage accurate feature they like.....if the demand is there.
...one of the vintage accuracy/inconsistency is to do with unplayability,
...so I guess you are adding in this pointlessly perverse example because you think it makes some point.
Quite frankly its just an example of a false dichotomy logical fallacy....either the factory suddenly forgot how to fit a guard, or its yet another example of how they are making them more like vintage examples.
Seems as the LP seies suffer from decreased quality maybe due to no quality control. “The holy grail“ 1958-59 models are very fine instruments, it seems to me as the later models are more clumsy and never had the aura as the ancient guittars had. In my optics Gibson never succeeded in making a real ‘59 reissue.I would never buy a Gibson today.
Gibson suffered from the former eras : Lincolnwood and Norlin, lastmentined the worst.