Why Buy a Fender Reissue?

[diceman]

I thought the Jazz Master was Top of the Line?

"Intended as Fender's top of the line guitar upon its release in 1962, the Jaguar never enjoyed the popularity that the Stratocaster and Telecaster did."


It is no secret that the Strat and Tele were the most popular - but the Jag was the "top of the line" model when it was released.

 

[Jason]

Why?? To stimulate the American economy! Don't you know that we need to buy overpriced "American" products in order to fix our economy?

 

[diceman]

i dunno you seem to get some great deals on those vintage fenders.

if i could have got those for that kinda price, especially the jag i would be all over it but i dont see those kinda deals

The Jag and Mustang were just sitting there on Ebay. The MM was hanging on the wall of a local shop - but you can find them at that price without too much trouble. I've seen a couple of Jags go for that price range - most of them have been routed for humbuckers at some point. The collector snobs won't touch em', and the routes are easily covered by the pickguard. Keep your eyes peeled! You don't usually see Jazzmasters with those issues - so they're hard to find on the cheap.

 

[overdriver]

As for why the Strats/Teles are so insanely expensive? Or my feelings about the original being a better buy than the reissue?

As for popularity - while not "the" most popular, plenty of people have chosen the Jaguars or Mustangs over any other guitar out there. Here are just a couple:

Sure plenty of people play other Fenders . But as far as over all popularity goes , Strats and Teles are on top, more so than the rest.

And thats what drives the insane pricing on all vintage, RI's and Custom Shop :amps as well.

And it is insane IMO ,the Jags and what not (vintage) have been going up in price as well as the shity late 72-79 strats, cause the stuff from the 50's-to 72 has gotten beyound the reach of alot of folks.

Plenty of people have chosen other Fenders ya, but not the people that have influenced the Krazzzzy Vintage thang as much as say Hendrix ,Clapton , Blackmore, Eric Johnson, Mark whats his name ,Albert lee, Roy Bucannon,
B. Holly,Robin Trowler etc. etc. etc etc. etc. etc. You know!!!! the really good players and song writers.

Jag.s I like em ,would want one nice things , but all those switches and stuff will f' up they alays did. More stuff to go wrong on them.

 

[diceman]

Sure plenty of people play other Fenders . But as far as over all popularity goes , Strats and Teles are on top, more so than the rest.

And thats what drives the insane pricing on all vintage, RI's and Custom Shop :amps as well.

And it is insane IMO ,the Jags and what not (vintage) have been going up in price as well as the shity late 72-79 strats, cause the stuff from the 50's-to 72 has gotten beyound the reach of alot of folks.

Plenty of people have chosen other Fenders ya, but not the people that have influenced the Krazzzzy Vintage thang as much as say Hendrix ,Clapton , Blackmore, Eric Johnson, Mark whats his name ,Albert lee, Roy Bucannon,
B. Holly,Robin Trowler etc. etc. etc etc. etc. etc. You know!!!! the really good players and song writers.

Jag.s I like em would want one nice things , but all those switches and stuff will f' up they alays did. More stuff to go wrong on them.

The Strats and Teles are a reasonably good deal in "reissue" form since the real deal is so expensive.

As for the switches on the Jag... I set them and leave them! My upper bout controls are actually reissue - the rest are original. So, I use the hell out of that switch to go between pickups, but overall, the rest of them stay put!

I'll never be able to afford a vintage Strat/Tele - but the vintage guitars that I do have are amazing players, sound great, and are nicer than any of the new stuff that I've had my hands on - "high end" Strats and Teles included!

 

[diceman]

God that fender is sexxxy!. I'm gonna get ur advice when I go to put some money down on one. I was gonna go with a jeff beck, but I think you might be able to point me in the right direction. I need vintage classic fender sound. Thats it. I want it american made and pure strat sound.

Jason - if you've got the money, you can't go wrong. You can get a cool old Fender with that budget that you've been talking about.

Here is a cheap '66 Duo-Sonic missing the headstock logo (somewhat common for them to flake and chip some ... this one was "removed" though - didn't "flake off" or fall off like they imply). $1k.

1966 fender duo sonic guitar . dakota red - eBay (item 110381397153 end time May-24-09 06:39:09 PDT)

This '65 Duo is very nice looking - not sure on those neck shims, but that is common. This one says "ended" but it just ran out of time w/out a sale. The guy lists his number, you could call and talk him down a couple hundred I'm sure. I'll bet you could get it for $1200.

1965 Fender Duo Sonic Guitar Original Vintage OHSC - eBay (item 230341228557 end time May-14-09 19:21:32 PDT)

A very nice '66 Mustang - $2k or so, but very very nice. Solid investment.

1966 VINTAGE FENDER MUSTANG ELECTRIC GUITAR DAKOTA RED! - eBay (item 370202051026 end time May-22-09 20:34:24 PDT)

Here is an extremely nice '65 Jag for $2.5k (mine was $1k less, but is also much more a player's grade guitar with some "issues" - this one looks killer!)

Vintage 1965 Fender Jaguar! 99% Original, Plays Great! - eBay (item 200335832961 end time May-26-09 03:30:12 PDT)


If you can get past the fact that they weren't the most popular models I'm sure you'll find that they are amazing playing and sounding vintage guitars.

 

[diceman]

To be honest, I can't see why anyone would buy a jag, duosonic, or musicmaster, vintage or RI, in the first place. They were cheap guitars when they were new and nothing has really changed since then. Too each their own and all that, but I just don't see the attraction, especially buying a RI of a guitar that sucked balls in the first place.

Please do weigh in again. I would hope that you could clarify this post, because I for the life of me cannot comprehend where you're coming from or what the basis for your comment is. "Logic," something you read, personal experience... a wild guess?

I mostly just want to hear you tell me again how much my guitars suck - I do appreciate that.

I guess its all good, though. All the more guitars that "suck balls" for me...

 

[G Man]

Please do weigh in again. I would hope that you could clarify this post, because I for the life of me cannot comprehend where you're coming from or what the basis for your comment is. "Logic," something you read, personal experience... a wild guess?

I mostly just want to hear you tell me again how much my guitars suck - I do appreciate that.

I guess its all good, though. All the more guitars that "suck balls" for me...

Sorry about that DM, I was really just busting your balls, had just woken up and my evil humor got the better part of me. Then, I spent the rest of the day putting in a vegetable garden, so I haven't had a chance to get back here until now. I actually agree with your logic, and if it were me, I would be buying actual vintage as well, especially on these models. Its similar to the Martin world, where a vintage dread is stupid expensive, like a tele or strat, but you can still pick up a pre-war -17 series, as well as some other 00 models, like a jag or MM, for less than a few grand.

Didn't mean to get you so worked up, we are on the same page my friend.

 

[diceman]

I thought we'd have a good E-debate!

We will be planting our vegetable garden soon. We had a pretty good run last year - although the Zucchini never grew! We planted 6 plants... got lots of foliage... and one small Zucchini! Everything else grew great, though. Several pepper varieties (chiles and jalapenos for me! The wife had some Green/Red/Yellows...) Big and small tomatoes, lots of Eggplant (they put out a lot more than we expected. I got sick of it by the end of the summer!). We ended up burning some leaves this year, and mixing it in the soil - hopefully that helps. I think we'll plant next week. I hope you get some good veggies - and some more Martins!

 

[diceman]

Are you really a "G-Man," by the way? It is something that I've thought about doing once I finish law school. I've been reserve LEO since 2002 and planned on going full time after I finished my BA, but figured that I'd just keep going to school on that GI Bill as long as I can...

 

[G Man]

Nope, not a G Man, just a nick name that my friends gave me 20+ years ago, and it stuck, (my first name is Greg). I am actually not using my law degree at the moment, and instead have a tech job at a local college that enables me to be a great Dad to my kids while my wife works out of town 4 days a week. I do think it would be a lot more interesting job than LEO, and could offer some unique careers choices for you down the road.

Sorry for the hijack. BOT, I have been gassing for a 52 AVRI Hot Rod Tele, and have probably come to the conclusion that when it is time, I will probably either go with a G&L Bluesboy or a small builder rather than Fender, as vintage teles are out of the question as far as $$ goes.

 

[djwilbanks]

Go with Roman, man. It may take a while depending on his work load, but from what I hear (and have seen) you can't get a better deal.

1500USD is how much you pay to play with his bolt-on guitars, but man what he can do with it. Nitro, custom pickups from WB, your choice on scale, neck carve, etc. all for cheaper than a RI, oh yeah.

Can't wait for mine to be finished!

Roman FTW

 

[diceman]

The AVRIs are pretty nice. I'm putting mine up for sale locally ('57 Strat) - but I'm not going to lose $0.01 on it. If it doesn't sell, I don't mind! I guess what I'm saying is that while my AVRI is a very nice guitar, it is one that I'm going to let go of to fund my Rist Tele build (I was going to get an AVRI, but Roman will build one cheaper... and from better materials!) and old Fenders.

If you decide that you'd rather have an AVRI STRAT, I'll give you a heck of a deal on mine!

As for not using your law degree... I've heard that is fairly common! Mine is costing me about $100k - so I'm going to have to practice law at least until I pay that back!

 

[G Man]

Yeah, paying it almost like having a 2nd mortgage. Oh well, I'm smarter for it, live and learn.

 

[diceman]

Yup. Its scary to think about owing $100k. My Sociology degree wasn't worth much, though - so I figured that more school was the way to go! At least I'll have a marketable skill when I'm done...

I'm studying for my Crim Pro final at the moment - building an outline.

 

[teeloh]

To be honest, I can't see why anyone would buy a jag, duosonic, or musicmaster, vintage or RI, in the first place. They were cheap guitars when they were new and nothing has really changed since then. Too each their own and all that, but I just don't see the attraction, especially buying a RI of a guitar that sucked balls in the first place.

I have a 73 Fender Bronco which is the most fun a strat can be - and it's not even a strat, of course. It's a single pup cheapie student guitar which had to get some surgery to even make it work.

Cheap guitars can be fun, and this one is. It's a baby brother to the real grown-up Strats.

 

[diceman]

I've thought about getting a Bronco at some point as well. Pretty hard to find (I've been keeping an eye out). I think that another Jaguar (62-68) or a Duo-Sonic ('64-68) will be my next buy, though.

 

[gishuk]

The Jag and Mustang were just sitting there on Ebay. The MM was hanging on the wall of a local shop - but you can find them at that price without too much trouble. I've seen a couple of Jags go for that price range - most of them have been routed for humbuckers at some point. The collector snobs won't touch em', and the routes are easily covered by the pickguard. Keep your eyes peeled! You don't usually see Jazzmasters with those issues - so they're hard to find on the cheap.

this is one of the things that makes me wish i was in america sometimes so much cheaper than generally you see here in the UK. or at least cheaper than i see.

seems to be about £1,700/1,900 for a jag with some 'issues' from this kinda time period, more like 2.5k for a good one. as for the jazzmasters which i would really love theyre more like 2.5k for a decent one and alot more for a spot on one 1965 Vintage Fender Jazzmaster Olympic White OHSC on eBay, also Fender, Electric, Guitars, Musical Instruments (end time 10-Jun-09 18:58:46 BST)

could buy from the US but once adding on shipping, VAT and import stuff it doesnt seem like such a great deal anymore

 

[diceman]

Yeah, that one WOULD be nice! Even $2.5k for a nice vintage Jag (not hard to find at all) is much smarter IMO than $2k for a reissue. Not only from a collector's perspective - but also because these vintage Fenders are just fun to play!

I'm leaving in about ten minutes w/ the Jag and MusicMaster to go to a band rehearsal. Should be a good time. (Its been too cold in our practice space to take the old guitars to jams - plenty warm today, though!).

 

[SKATTERBRANE]

Liz Phair wrapping her thighs around a wild Mustang: