Where can I find better SG plans than these?

[rocknroll1385]

Thanks for that scott :O Much appreciated! Definitely saving this one.....if you ever feel the desire to use this to make a full set of plans, I'd be happy to draw up a set if you happen to have measurements.

Oh my gosh ex. You're such a nice guy, thank you very much. Ok, bleedinggums has a nice layout there, and on exnihilo's original sg thread someone tells him the pot switch and jack locations... Now this may be easier said than done, but I think we should go for it and make a set of plans. I don't know how and not sure if I have the software, but seriously. Somebody do it, many people would be eternally grateful as there are not really any vintage accurate plans out there! They did it in the historically accurate explorer thread, let's go for it!!!!!








Just my $0.02

 

[sectorix]

Oh my gosh ex. You're such a nice guy, thank you very much. Ok, bleedinggums has a nice layout there, and on exnihilo's original sg thread someone tells him the pot switch and jack locations... Now this may be easier said than done, but I think we should go for it and make a set of plans. I don't know how and not sure if I have the software, but seriously. Somebody do it, many people would be eternally grateful as there are not really any vintage accurate plans out there! They did it in the historically accurate explorer thread, let's go for it!!!!!

Just my $0.02

Inkscape is your friend, and its free. more so - if you make the plans to scale in Inkscape you could in the future get it CNC'd

 

[Murkar]

Well I literally know NOTHING about SG's - but I will do it if you guys want them and if you're able to supply all the dimensions I need. But we would need to make a list of dimensions, and settle on a year (or range of years) that we are aiming to design the plans of (since I'm sure like every other guitar, the design probably changes quite a bit over time).

 

[BleedingGums]

Just in case - the control layout I posted above is shown as viewed from the back, kinda like this view of Mary Ford's SG:

Murkar - kudos for offering to draw the plans - if they turn out anything like your LP plans they will be a treat.

 

[rocknroll1385]

Inkscape is your friend, and its free. more so - if you make the plans to scale in Inkscape you could in the future get it CNC'd

Very true, thanks. The only problem is I have no idea to use it... well I guess I got some learning to do. Murker's plans would probably be amazing, I'll do my best though but if he posts a set of plans he made I'm definitely downloading. I think we should go for the 61-63 type era

 

[Ripthorn]

I'm building an sg right now with a friend (read: for) where I am explaining everything to him as I do it. We got the neck pocket cut out last night. The thing that I have been telling him over and over (because he keeps saying "Is that the way Gibson does it" and other such stuff) is that in guitar building, there are a few immutable measurements, dimensions, etc., but all the rest is whatever you want it to be. Things like the bridge placement, stewmac has a guide for where studs should be located, and that, in conjunction with your plans, will give you everything you need for the bridge.

For the record, I am using the plans above, though I just printed the body outline 1:1 to make the body template. Everything else can be done as you like. Neck tenon shape, do what you wish. Which fret hits where on the body? Doesn't really matter, just don't drill your stud holes before gluing in the neck. Lots of stuff that I used to get hung up on on my first guitar or two I have come to realize that it isn't worth sweating. Figure out the critical elements, and then work around those.

 

[Murkar]

I think we should go for the 61-63 type era

Hmm...I am going to be spending a lot of time at work in the lab over the next couple of days, which tends to mean a lot of waiting around. I will post a thread and see if we collectively have all of the dimensions needed to make a set of plans for an early 60s SG.

 

[ginopas]

Thanks everyone! There's some awesome stuff here. I've definitely been catching myself stressing over every tiny detail as if I'm going to be able to make an exact duplication of anything.
I hope those plans get made. I wish I had something to contribute to them.

 

[Murkar]

So if anyone happens to know, on an early 60's sg what are the following (as I said, I know nothing about SGs at all, literally). Also, what am I making - jr, standard? Special?

1) Uncomensated scale length
2) Width at the nut
3) Fretboard width at bridge end
4) Neck thickness and shape...any idea where to find this?
5) Neck angle
6) pickguard material
7) Type of tuners
8) Tenon length
9) Body length and width at the widest point

Some preliminary progress, no details at all yet and a lot of things need to be resized and/or moved into the correct spot. And also of course dimensions, side and back view, etc.

 

[DoneOne]

Also, what am I making - jr, standard? Special?

9) Body length and width at the widest point

... just print it off so that it is 13" wide and you will have a great body plan.

if you don't already have that and need in a pdf form that you can import, let me know.

and why not all - junior, special and standard? The differences aren't that great really. If anyone volunteers to trace one of the different guards (or control covers), see if you can get them to trace it on graph paper and scan it. Scanners sometimes compress an image in one direction like printers and the graph paper allows you to correct that distortion.

also - headstock angle (13?), board length (with and without binding), dot markers for jr and special...on and on.

last suggestion: new thread for MLP sg plan collaboration to grab attention of those that might be willing to volunteer info / measurements, etc.

 

[BleedingGums]

Here is a sketch SG Lou posted a while back with some helpful dimensions:

Also, just for kicks, below is a comparison of body templates made with the Magnus rendering and the plans at the top of this thread (Magnus template is on the left):

 

[Murkar]

Thx gums Appreciated. Any idea if the Jr body shape differs much from a standard?

if you don't already have that and need in a pdf form that you can import, let me know.

DoneOne, the reason I ask about the body dimensions is because I already have a '61 pickguard trace. However when I resize Scott's outline, the pickguard doesn't fit properly. I'm assuming I must be resizing it incorrectly and I want to check it against the known body length and width to double check.

Also - I will start a new thread this morning for this project I think it'll be easiest to start standard, then the junior and special won't take long at all once those plans are complete.

 

[DoneOne]

DoneOne, the reason I ask about the body dimensions is because I already have a '61 pickguard trace. However when I resize Scott's outline, the pickguard doesn't fit properly. I'm assuming I must be resizing it incorrectly and I want to check it against the known body length and width to double check.

I know nothing of SGs either, but I'd be willing to bet a nickle that the hips were intended to be 13 exact... then sanding and finish and wood swelling, etc and you might find + or - perhaps as much as an 8th.

in short - I'm not sure why you needed to resize it? Does the drawing program you're using import pdfs 1:1?

 

[n_choff]

the 3D file mentioned somewhere above was a model of a 63 Jr that MLP member Goocart put together - it was then graciously hosted for free download on Bartlett's site for a while.

here's a copy:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8286013/Guitars/1963-JR.3dm

he drew a stewmac 24.5625 scale on it.

If i were looking to build an sg, I'd start with that... But... I'd have to know a bit of Rhino (cad) to dissect it to get uncluttered 2D outlines from it.

If I were under the mistaken impression that I'd need more than one P90, I'd then get a bat-wing guard (because what's cooler than a bat-wing guard?!!) and use that to place pups, etc.

then you're left only with the control cavity and knob placement.

echo SuperDuty's post... Bruce and I both posted in a thread where a guy bought templates for a moderne... the neck scale didn't match the body.

What had apparently happened is that a guy with a cnc machine pulled plans off the web and was cutting templates and selling them... without understanding that they were wrong.

moral: nothing beats the kind of experience Bruce and others have gained over the years.

Alternatively, you could import a pdf version of that stewmac drawing into a free demo version of rhino, set the measuring units correctly and take measurements on screen. The pdf I have of it imports 1:1.

or... print it 1:1... just make sure the printer is accurate. The outline of the page is 32.5" by 45.72"

they have the neck angle as 1.5. Goocart has it at 1.75 (different bridge).

pdf in case you're working off a bitmap file:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8286013/Guitars/sg page 2.pdf

Any chance these files could be re-uploaded? Would be much appreciated

 

[DoneOne]

re-uploaded?

1963-JR FRESH.3dm

Shared with Dropbox

www.dropbox.com

I must've moved it around in my dropbox folder for the link to have gone dead.

 

[pshupe]

I have a copy of that model file. Send me a pm and I will send it to you. Or advise on how to post it somewhere to download. This is the Rhino file, so you would need Rhino3d to make use of it.

Cheers Peter.

 

[batleamster23]

the 3D file mentioned somewhere above was a model of a 63 Jr that MLP member Goocart put together - it was then graciously hosted for free download on Bartlett's site for a while.

here's a copy:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8286013/Guitars/1963-JR.3dm

he drew a stewmac 24.5625 scale on it.

If i were looking to build an sg, I'd start with that... But... I'd have to know a bit of Rhino (cad) to dissect it to get uncluttered 2D outlines from it.

If I were under the mistaken impression that I'd need more than one P90, I'd then get a bat-wing guard (because what's cooler than a bat-wing guard?!!) and use that to place pups, etc.

then you're left only with the control cavity and knob placement.

echo SuperDuty's post... Bruce and I both posted in a thread where a guy bought templates for a moderne... the neck scale didn't match the body.

What had apparently happened is that a guy with a cnc machine pulled plans off the web and was cutting templates and selling them... without understanding that they were wrong.

moral: nothing beats the kind of experience Bruce and others have gained over the years.

Alternatively, you could import a pdf version of that stewmac drawing into a free demo version of rhino, set the measuring units correctly and take measurements on screen. The pdf I have of it imports 1:1.

or... print it 1:1... just make sure the printer is accurate. The outline of the page is 32.5" by 45.72"

they have the neck angle as 1.5. Goocart has it at 1.75 (different bridge).

pdf in case you're working off a bitmap file:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8286013/Guitars/sg page 2.pdf

Hi Doneone, please do you have that pdf plan? Link seems to be put down, thank you very much, my email is [email protected]

 

[CB91710]

1963-JR FRESH.3dm

Shared with Dropbox

www.dropbox.com

I must've moved it around in my dropbox folder for the link to have gone dead.

Is this the updated upload you want Battlemaster?

 

[DoneOne]

Hi Doneone, please do you have that pdf plan? Link seems to be put down, thank you very much...

from what I can gather, I was talking about the same plan in the 1st post in this thread, which I'm guessing was a bitmap of the original which was a line drawing that could be imported to CAD software. That original line drawing is this:

sg page 2.pdf

Shared with Dropbox

www.dropbox.com

it's not from me so no idea of its accuracy... it is what it is.

 

[batleamster23]

from what I can gather, I was talking about the same plan in the 1st post in this thread, which I'm guessing was a bitmap of the original which was a line drawing that could be imported to CAD software. That original line drawing is this:

sg page 2.pdf

Shared with Dropbox

www.dropbox.com

it's not from me so no idea of its accuracy... it is what it is.

Thank you very much Doneone, btw awesome plans, muy agradecido