What's the safest Gibson model to install an Kahler on it?

[icantbuyafender]

They are still making Kahlers and selling parts.

Wammi World, Kahler Authorized Dealer

Also, bosnialove check out the Kahler 7200 hybrid. It's for guitars that have a TOM (tune-o-matic) bridge and has a small rear mounted set screw so you can lock it down to a fixed bridge if you want. Also, cheaper.

Wammi World, Kahler Authorized Dealer- Products

There are also different models of the hybrid with steel rollers instead of brass depending on what sound you want. The Kahler 2315 you posted won't work on a Nighthawk because it already has TOM posts, so you're gonna need a Kahler meant to retrofit a TOM bridge.

If you're looking at the higher end Kahlers then you need to look at the 2200 series, otherwise the 7200 series I posted from Wammi World is the cheaper version of it. Both are excellent choices, just slightly higher grade parts in the 2200 series. I have and use both and I can't tell a noticeable difference.

Did some reading up on those new fangled squeally bar bridges....


Those are complicated and seem very temperamental.

My kingdom for a bigsby!

 

[bosnialove]

The reason I'm looking for another guitar are the upper frets. They're difficult to reach.

Upper fret acces is reason #1 and an tremolo is reason #2. I could live without an tremolo. Ace F. removed his trem. because his vibratos became worse. Good reason to dump that trem.

 

[tnjazz]

When I was in high school, me and a buddy smoked up and routed my 1971 SG for a Kahler.

Needless to say, here it is almost 30 years later and I still have a facepalm moment when I think about it.

Three words: Don't do it!

 

[bosnialove]

I'm curious... What where the problems?

 

[msfenderarg]

I have been trying to like Xxxxxxs, but I just don't like them. They don't give me the same feeling a Xxxxxn does.

Xxxxxxn is the only xxxxx brand I love and i'll only consider buying Xxxxxxs.

For a moment there I thought you were talking about feminine hygiene products...

 

[bosnialove]

Yeah, you're so funny, you could be an comedian in Bollywood.

 

[Dougie]

Find an Explorer and put a vibrola on it. You get the best of both worlds.

 

[dspelman]

Another problem is that they no longer make Khaler's new that i can see, and parts are really hard to find.

Earlier in the year i replaced the Khaler Spyder trem in my strat to a real floyd.
Huge improvement, and parts are everywhere when i need down the road.

They make brand new Kahlers that will drop in replace the old ones. IN addition, parts are a piece of cake, and there are new roller materials available as well. In addition to that, the new hybrid Kahlers can be locked down to produce the equivalent of a hard tail if you like, and then unlocked to work as a normal Kahler trem. Very nice. You can even upgrade your current Kahler or trade it in on a new one.

Check out Wammi World, Kahler Authorized Dealer for more information.

Hope you kept that Kahler Spyder; might be worth some bucks. And if you've got one of those flip-lock behind-the-nut string locks, you should be able to get some coin from that as well. They don't make that any more.

Kahler even has trems for 7, 8 and 9-string guitars, and for fan fret guitars as well (!). http://www.rondomusic.com/product4697.html

 

[dspelman]

When I was in high school, me and a buddy smoked up and routed my 1971 SG for a Kahler.

Needless to say, here it is almost 30 years later and I still have a facepalm moment when I think about it.

Three words: Don't do it!

Uh...I can think of a whole lot of things that you shouldn't do with a router when smoked up.

 

[bosnialove]

It's easy to route an Gibson body for the Kahler. But whatabout the stringlock issues?

 

[dspelman]

It's easy to route an Gibson body for the Kahler. But whatabout the stringlock issues?

There really aren't any issues. You either rout the shelf for a Floyd-like locking nut (both Kahler and Floyd and others make them, and obviously a Floyd locking nut will work as well as anything) OR you buy the Kahler Behind-the-nut string lock. You'll remove (or cut down) the TRC and screw it to the headstock just behind the nut. Wammi World, Kahler Authorized Dealer- Products

The old flip-lock versions are no longer made, but if you can find one, it's a lot better looking (and easier to use) than the current versions. And Wammi has parts for them.

 

[icantbuyafender]

TOO MANY STRINGS!

six is enough for me.

 

[River]

Yeah, you're so funny, you could be an comedian in Bollywood.

You've got him beat by several lengths.

 

[bosnialove]

There really aren't any issues. You either rout the shelf for a Floyd-like locking nut (both Kahler and Floyd and others make them, and obviously a Floyd locking nut will work as well as anything) OR you buy the Kahler Behind-the-nut string lock. You'll remove (or cut down) the TRC and screw it to the headstock just behind the nut. Wammi World, Kahler Authorized Dealer- Products

The old flip-lock versions are no longer made, but if you can find one, it's a lot better looking (and easier to use) than the current versions. And Wammi has parts for them.

Okay man, thanks for this information, it has helped me a lot. So wherever I buy an Fender Telecaster or an Gibson Nighthawk, it's possible to to install an Kahler trem + stringlock without any problem.

It's also nice that I can lock the trem, in case I'll not use it.

 

[dspelman]

TOO MANY STRINGS!

AND Tilty Frets.

 

[Kalamazuu]

I've never seen a 9 stringed guitar. And I've very rarely seen the tilty frets.

 

[bosnialove]

Why the hell would you need 9 strings

 

[Hungrycat]

Why the hell would you need 9 strings

...science...

 

[dspelman]

I've never seen a 9 stringed guitar. And I've very rarely seen the tilty frets.

There's a 10-string out there as well. With fan frets ("multiscale"); the scales are 27" on the treble side and 30" on the bass side. There are a whole LOT of ways to string it, but it arrives with the bottom four strings in standard 4-string bass format and the top six in standard 6-string tuning. This is an Agile Pendulum (both the 9 and the 10 string versions). Fan frets used to be the province of custom builders, but Kurt at Rondo Music has evidently been spending some time talking to the users at sevenstring.org and started building to their requests with a seven-string tele. From there, it just took off. Most of these are in the very affordable under-$1000 range (though the 10-string is $1595, I think).

But I was stunned that they had one of these with a Kahler trem bridge. Who knew?

 

[icantbuyafender]

AND Tilty Frets.

Not gonna lie

Got real stoked when I read TITTY frets at first.

Then disappointment set in when no titties were to be found anywhere in the picture. :facepam:

Now that theres an idea worth marketing.

Tits on a guitar.

Put a fleshlight instead of a stereo jack (discrete!) and my gf would never see me again.

I should really not drink so early in the day.


EDIT: Judging by the title of the thread... I seem to have digressed.

Just a tad.