What will happen to rock n roll?

[Drew224]

Yep, the vast majority of 'modern rock' is mundane garbage. People bleat on about how bad pop and rap etc are, but to honest I'd rather listen to Lady Gaga or the Justin Beiber than most the shit that passes for rock these days.

Somebody above said "I still can't figure out how rap n hip hop took hold". Really? It was fresh, had awesome hooks and beats, and most importantly; parents hated it. It had everything everything rock didn't.

i like lady gaga, especially her jazz stuff from when she went by stephanie germanotta, but i'd rather listen to modern rock than bieber. there are some really good current bands that don't sound like ripoffs, but unfortunately, many don't want to follow thier example.

 

[The_Sentry]

Commerical pop is relegated to game show status.
The 70's silver age rockers ain't gonna live forever.
It's doubtful you're gonna see a whole lotta "rock stars" in the future.

But you know what? Who gives a damn. As long as there's a club to play it in, people who want to listen to it, and musicians who want to play it, rock and roll will live on...

 

[Ride on a Pony]

i like lady gaga, especially her jazz stuff from when she went by stephanie germanotta, but i'd rather listen to modern rock than bieber. there are some really good current bands that don't sound like ripoffs, but unfortunately, many don't want to follow thier example.

I may have exaggerated slightly (or maybe not).

Seriously though, some of that stuff is so boring I can't honestly believe anyone could write it and think its good. It's sort of like they just put together the first bunch of riffs that come into their head.

 

[standard man]

The future of Rock...
YouTube - chinese metal band with female vocal

That was insane! I loved it!

 

[Jason]

As soon as something is named, it is dead. That doesn't mean you still can't throw back some beers and enjoy it though! (or some Mtn. Dew for you youngsters and teetotalers!)

 

[X–Ray]

<snip> one thing is for certain, there won't be another golden age like the late 50's and 60's as far as rock is concerned <snip>

i believe in many ways, to really get the Truth of what Phil has described as the "Golden Age of Rock" &#8211; one must have been literally present to experience it &#8211; first hand,
be a part of not only observing it, but also in some manner shaping it to fully get the depth of what many of us "seasoned players" draw upon as our reference points &#8211;
that is, our own experience &#8211; not something filtered through a record, CD, DVD, magazine article, book, or even a mylespauler describing it

that is not to say, if you were not here, there and everywhere, it will be forever elusive... fortunately, the "Golden Age of Rock" has been well documented, and, currently,
a cohort of individuals exist (i.e., the seasoned players) to use the oral tradition for those who wish to vicariously experience it from us in the form of sharing not only technical
and practical information, but also the wisdom gleaned from experience and maturation... here, freely offered...

and hopefully, the flow of information and experience returning to us from you

second-hand is not as good as slow-hand but better than no-hand at all :~)

 

[GibsonByBirth]

So you would rather listen to a guy that sings using auto tune and has a song title with BS spelling than some rock/metal where the band play real instruments and have talent?

Where's judge Vasco on this!

Why all the screaming on opera?Or all the whailing in hiphop?

I don't claim to like or understand all types of metal.
But alot of them are saying something in ther songs.

Are you even able to have a discussion about anything or do you just bitch about everything that ypu don't like?

Might be time to open your other eye buddy.

Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. There was no open discussion on your part and when you said, "Why all the screaming on opera?" I knew you were not up to the task of a mature discussion on the subject.

 

[GibsonByBirth]

maybe try asking the celebrated bitches, ho's and gangsta's – maybe they have
the same kind of insight into white, middle-class pseudo-adolescent nihilistic rage as
they do black, grandiose driven narcissistic rage and bling

either way, this is a billion dollar industry which will subsidize style over substance – every time

None of that in what I posted and the substance is supreme in everything Sade does. There is a wider variaty to this music than you know. I am just with in the last month discovering that for myself.

 

[X–Ray]

None of that in what I posted and the substance is supreme in everything Sade does. There is a wider variaty to this music than you know. I am just with in the last month discovering that for myself.

okay... good for you... i am pleased Sade has substance... glad you are exploring its depths – enjoy!

 

[X–Ray]

i am amending a previous opinion... (always willing to learn &#8211; most of the time :~)

from

"this is a billion dollar industry which will subsidize style over substance &#8211; every time"

to

"this is a billion dollar industry which will subsidize style over substance &#8211; most every time &#8211; with notable exceptions such as GbyB pointed out with regard to Sade"

 

[GibsonByBirth]

i am amending a previous opinion... (always willing to learn – most of the time :~)

from

"this is a billion dollar industry which will subsidize style over substance – every time"

to

"this is a billion dollar industry which will subsidize style over substance – most every time – with notable exceptions such as GbyB pointed out with regard to Sade"

That's all I ask.

 

[Phil47uk]

yes, BUT, indie labels are becoming more and more capable out getting records "out there."

Unboubtedly, but to what cost in a many cases?

 

[longan]

I feel that people of my generation (I'm 13) are seeing the greatness in the 60s 70s and 80s. Over my time as a guitarist I've seen hundreds of young guitarists and this is just in a country with a pop. of 4 million, if there isn't a future for rock 'n roll then we are going to see the rise of a new guitar driven genre. The golden times of music is still yet to come.

 

[Phil47uk]

i believe in many ways, to really get the Truth of what Phil has described as the "Golden Age of Rock" &#8211; one must have been literally present to experience it &#8211; first hand,
be a part of not only observing it, but also in some manner shaping it to fully get the depth of what many of us "seasoned players" draw upon as our reference points &#8211;
that is, our own experience &#8211; not something filtered through a record, CD, DVD, magazine article, book, or even a mylespauler describing it

that is not to say, if you were not here, there and everywhere, it will be forever elusive... fortunately, the "Golden Age of Rock" has been well documented, and, currently,
a cohort of individuals exist (i.e., the seasoned players) to use the oral tradition for those who wish to vicariously experience it from us in the form of sharing not only technical
and practical information, but also the wisdom gleaned from experience and maturation... here, freely offered...

and hopefully, the flow of information and experience returning to us from you

second-hand is not as good as slow-hand but better than no-hand at all :~)

X-Ray described it very well above..........

Yes, you had to be there to experience it in full, but like he said, there is great documentation of that era that one can learn from even if you weren't there.
It is a very in depth subject, which I shall try and explain more about later, but it just hasn't merely got to do with Indie labels, Slash and the Sex Pistols.

It's a whole cultural thing, of which music only played one role amongst many with regard to the explosion and development of the youth culture.

 

[X–Ray]

<snip> It's a whole cultural thing, of which music only played one role amongst many with regard to the explosion and development of the youth culture

"Something" along the lines of the quotes below?

"The world used us as an excuse to go mad"

"The Beatles saved the world from boredom"

&#8211; George Harrison

 

[Rich]

Every past generation thinks that the newer generations' music sucks. It's for a few reasons:

1) The older you get, the more out of the loop you are unless your kids are turning you on to whatever they're listening to so you might not be finding what could be really good music. Your kids probably prefer to listen to music that drives you nuts anyway.

2) You have less time to listen to music and the time you do have you tend to gravitate towards the familiar (your generation's music).

3) You don't understand new music because you're not as young, rebellious and open minded as you used to be.

Before anyone jumps on my case, I'm just as guilty as the next guy as not being as open to new music and being complacent listening to the a lot of the same stuff I've been listening to for decades.

 

[Phil47uk]

"Something" along the lines of the quotes below?

"The world used us as an excuse to go mad"

"The Beatles saved the world from boredom"

&#8211; George Harrison

If anybody hasn't already seen this, then it's really worth a look at the series.
Again, done by Howard Goodall who gave us that brilliant series 'How Music works' this series concentrates on how music changed structually during that era.

Part One..
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zddh5Vp-ApI]YouTube - Howard Goodalls 20th Century Greats - The Beatles (Part 1)[/ame]

In the early 60's here in Britain it was bands like the Stones who fired up the rebelious nature of the youth of the day. Not.. ( Initially the Beatles ) .
The Beatles up until the long haired flower power stage were always thought of as the clean cut boys of pop music.
The Brit youth of the early 60's associated themselves much more with the rebelious Stones and bands like them, then they did with the nice boys next door image of the Beatles. It's during the Sergeant Pepper days, with the long hair and ethnic melodies that the Beatles really took off with all age groups, whereas up till then it was mostly teenage screaming girls.

Here's a link to the rest of the series I posted up some time ago if anyone is interested.

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/gui...celess-howard-goodall-series.html#post1447478

 

[X–Ray]

Before anyone jumps on my case, I'm just as guilty as the next guy as not being as open to new music and being complacent listening to the a lot of the same stuff I've been listening to for decades.

no problem here... your honesty refreshing

to quote myself from elsewhere, i feel no need to be apologetic regarding the following:

*do not feel compelled to be "current"
(Popeye: "i like what i knows and i knows what i like")

*truly do not give a shit what is the latest of anything other than enjoying my version of the ideal guitar/amp

*"classic rock" is not "classic" for me but contemporary and just as relevant and powerful as it was 30/40 years ago

*not afraid to be musically "incorrect"

however, having stated the above, if some really cool music floats by my ears like "a golden winged ship... passing my way" &#8211; permission to board

although, if "it just kept on going... i still have my guitar" &#8211; a treasure chest of others' music,
and, "if i don't meet you no more in this world then uh, i'll meet ya' on the next one, and don't be late, don't be late"

thanks for the help, Jimi

 

[kmk108]

Rock will never die. The Parlor Mob comes to mind, but the problem is that they aren't the mainstream. The youth want to get drunk and party to something they can dance to. There's no other explanation for guys like Drake who even sucks at rapping. There's always going to be people who want to play rock, but i doubt it'll ever be as popular as it used to be

 

[captcoolaid]

I worry about the new state of Rock. But as in the past it will be in the future we will come full circle with a new great thing. That is the great thing about Rock, there are so many jonras ( I checked spell check and it was not there) that we will be fine. We are the ants and roaches of the industry. We have survived every fall out possible.