were are we going wrong?

[jeff_farkas]

And here I thought "DUDE! Let's get baked!" was the issue.

So did I.. seems like either the topic just changed right before our eyes or the OP has no clue what addiction is really aboiut. He needs to get to a lot of Alano meeting.. serious. For his and his sons sake.

 

[sonar1]

...needs to get to a lot of Alano meeting.. serious. For his and his sons sake.

Al-anon.

Alano clubs are a different deal.

Al-anon is for the friends and family of alcolohics (or any other kind of "ics," or "isms"), whose substance abuse (or sobriety - perhaps without a program of recovery) is driving you crazy.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Nope. not forgetting them, at all.

There's a huge misconception (imagine that) surrounding the whole "judging" thing. And, the "all men fall short" part is reference to being (or not being) a hypocrite.

I also think you're confusing "judgement" with "condemnation"?

If there's confusion, it's not on my part. I know well what judgement means, and it's what ole Matt wrote:

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Matthew 7 NIV - Judging Others -

It's not my book, I didn't write it. Take it up with them who did. Judgement does not mean condemnation, it means valuation. Condemnation is one possible outcome of judgement; it is one possible judgement. Those who aren't guilty have also been judged.

 

[jeff_farkas]

Al-anon.

Alano clubs are a different deal.

Al-anon is for the friends and family of alcolohics (or any other kind of "ics," or "isms"), whose substance abuse (or sobriety - perhaps without a program of recovery) is driving you crazy.

I know.. I'm a recovering addict and I know what's up. Also, his son has an addiction issue.

 

[HenryHill]

One last time:

It's the getting buzzed with a consequence free mindset that allows the addiction to occur.

Heredity plays a huge part in it, but it's not a hard requirement.

You can blame your lover or spouse, your father or you sister, your shitty rotten luck in a life that was never claimed to be fair, but in the end, all you do is make things 10 times worse, and like Buffet finally admits in his Margeritaville tune, it was only him to blame.

Flush all that fingerpointing at reasons for addiction, and put the responsibility where it lies, on the one who ignored all the reasons why not to smoke crack or stick a needle in your vein or drink a fifth by noon everyday.

It's the main tenet in Reality Counseling.

If you cling to any other belief as one who is connected to the Abuser, you are the Enabler, or maybe one of many.

 

[rockstar232007]

If there's confusion, it's not on my part. I know well what judgement means, and it's what ole Matt wrote:



It's not my book, I didn't write it. Take it up with them who did. Judgement does not mean condemnation, it means valuation. Condemnation is one possible outcome of judgement; it is one possible judgement. Those who aren't guilty have also been judged.

What that means is, we're not supposed to be judgemental in the name of hypocricy. The whole "pot calling the kettle black" thing.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

What that means is, we're not supposed to be judgemental in the name of hypocricy. The whole "pot calling the kettle black" thing.

No, that's not what that means. Read it again. It means that you'd be wise not to judge the failings of others, because as harsh as you are to them in judging their failings, you too will receive your judgment on those same standards.

The point is that everyone has a beam in their eyes -- including you, who so blithely dismiss millions upon millions of Christians of being false.

Don't even get me started about pride being a sin, either.

 

[sonar1]

...It means that you'd be wise not to judge the failings of others...

Especially since likely, "If you spot it: you've got it," too!

Why would I be sensitized to a failing if perhaps I wasn't trafficking in some version of the same failing, but blind to my part: and projecting it onto YOU.

 

[HenryHill]

Oh, FFS.

I thought the topic was how the world was supposed to make you a substance abuser.

 

[RedSkwirrell]

were are we going wrong?

The punishment doesn't fit the crime.

 

[HOT-BRIT]

Every one has an opinion and they are all different, so we have to consider them all and then come to our own conclusion.

 

[VanR]

I remember when we spelled it where instead of were. Those where the good old days. :}