VW to sell Bugatti to Rimac

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Is this the last of Bugatti's monstrous 16 cylinder engine for their hyper car! VW are set to sell the marque to the Croatian EV Hyper car motor company Rimac. :eek2:
 

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Well.. I can understand that. The brand has a certain appeal but the cost to keep it going must be outrageous.,
 

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What will become of the traditional super car brands? VW wants to overhaul it's other high performance brands Lamborghini & Ducati as well as Bugatti. :shock: They cant afford to electrify these brands & they're going to be a millstone around their neck come the 2025 emission standards which would cost them dearly, Many of the R&D departments of EU ICE manufacturers will be laying staff off as they will be obsolete after 2025.:wow:
 

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What will become of the traditional super car brands? VW wants to overhaul it's other high performance brands Lamborghini & Ducati as well as Bugatti. :shock: They cant afford to electrify these brands & they're going to be a millstone around their neck come the 2025 emission standards which would cost them dearly, Many of the R&D departments of EU ICE manufacturers will be laying staff off as they will be obsolete after 2025.:wow:
That's in Europe. North America isn't quite so gung ho on replacing gasoline yet. Same for Russia/Asia.
 

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They are mooting bringing forward the end of petrol/diesel cars by 10 years in the UK from the date set previously by the EU.
 

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That's in Europe. North America isn't quite so gung ho on replacing gasoline yet. Same for Russia/Asia.
Neither is Africa, South America or the Pacific. All car manufacturers in the EU should just focus on the rest of the world for a while, while the business and the technology settles down.

I heard a quite informative broadcast recently on the radio about how electric vehicles won’t be the future because of the incredible mining and infrastructure (and resulting environmental effects) necessary to produce and operate them in large numbers. The commentator was quite emphatic the hydrogen was going to be the answer, and suggested that the technology is further advanced than the e-folk would like you to believe.

Me, I’ve got no idea on e vs h, but I know here in the mythical land ICE vehicles will be the status quo for at least the next 10-20 years, which gives us plenty of time to eventually back the right technology.

I do, however, think the argument about the environmental impact of large scale e-vehicles is probably correct, if not understated.

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Neither is Africa, South America or the Pacific. All car manufacturers in the EU should just focus on the rest of the world for a while, while the business and the technology settles down.

I heard a quite informative broadcast recently on the radio about how electric vehicles won’t be the future because of the incredible mining and infrastructure (and resulting environmental effects) necessary to produce and operate them in large numbers. The commentator was quite emphatic the hydrogen was going to be the answer, and suggested that the technology is further advanced than the e-folk would like you to believe.

Me, I’ve got no idea on e vs h, but I know here in the mythical land ICE vehicles will be the status quo for at least the next 10-20 years, which gives us plenty of time to eventually back the right technology.

I do, however, think the argument about the environmental impact of large scale e-vehicles is probably correct, if not understated.

cheers
The environmental impact of mining the raw materials for batteries and the subsequent recycling is beyond the capabilities of current European understanding, it seems. It's not cleaner, certainly not cheaper and most likely not healthier, but oil is bad, m'kay? Regardless of the advances in ICE engineering, the EU presses on.
 

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The environmental impact of mining the raw materials for batteries and the subsequent recycling is beyond the capabilities of current European understanding, it seems. It's not cleaner, certainly not cheaper and most likely not healthier, but oil is bad, m'kay? Regardless of the advances in ICE engineering, the EU presses on.
On top of that, "environmentally friendly" electrical production has the same problems, and when the wind isn't blowing, Germany is burning Russian gas to produce electricity.

Seems only the French have it right (nuclear power).
 

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As a resident of Europe, I'm looking at buying a 10 year old Audi diesel and keeping it for as long as I can.

I still have a Seat hot hatch which I am keeping as well, and will likely drive until the day I die at this point.
 
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This is a list of countries/States that are signed up to the Paris accord, They will all have to bring in some form of emission regulation sooner or later, Maybe not as draconian or as soon as the EU standards.


Total97.01%[5]189[12]
Party[12]Percentage of greenhouse
gases for ratification[5]
Date of signatureDate of ratification, acceptance, approval, or accessionDate of entry into force
Afghanistan
0.05%22 April 201615 February 201717 March 2017
Albania
0.02%22 April 201621 September 20164 November 2016
Algeria
0.30%22 April 201620 October 201619 November 2016
Andorra
0.00%22 April 201624 March 201723 April 2017
Antigua and Barbuda
0.00%22 April 201621 September 20164 November 2016
Argentina
0.89%22 April 201621 September 20164 November 2016
Armenia
0.02%20 September 201623 March 201722 April 2017
Australia
1.46%22 April 20169 November 20169 December 2016
Austria[a]
0.21%22 April 20165 October 20164 November 2016
Azerbaijan
0.13%22 April 20169 January 20178 February 2017
Bahamas, The
0.00%22 April 201622 August 20164 November 2016
Bahrain
0.06%22 April 201623 December 201622 January 2017
Bangladesh
0.27%22 April 201621 September 20164 November 2016
Barbados
0.01%22 April 201622 April 20164 November 2016
Belarus
0.24%22 April 201621 September 20164 November 2016
Belgium[a]
0.32%22 April 20166 April 20176 May 2017
Belize
0.00%22 April 201622 April 20164 November 2016
Benin
0.02%22 April 201631 October 201630 November 2016
Bhutan
0.00%22 April 201619 September 201719 October 2017
Bolivia
0.12%22 April 20165 October 20164 November 2016
Bosnia and Herzegovina
0.08%22 April 201616 March 201715 April 2017
Botswana
0.02%22 April 201611 November 201611 December 2016
Brazil
2.48%22 April 201621 September 20164 November 2016
Brunei
N/Ahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Paris_Agreement#cite_note-nocomm-16

[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]

[TR]
[TD]
Bulgaria[a][/TD]
[TD]0.15%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]29 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]29 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Burkina Faso[/TD]
[TD]0.06%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]11 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]11 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Burundi[/TD]
[TD]0.07%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]17 January 2018[/TD]
[TD]16 February 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Cambodia[/TD]
[TD]0.03%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]6 February 2017[/TD]
[TD]8 March 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Cameroon[/TD]
[TD]0.45%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]29 July 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Canada[/TD]
[TD]1.95%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Cape Verde[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2017[/TD]
[TD]21 October 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Central African Republic[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]11 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]10 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Chad[/TD]
[TD]0.06%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]12 January 2017[/TD]
[TD]11 February 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Chile[15][/TD]
[TD]0.25%[/TD]
[TD]20 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]10 February 2017[/TD]
[TD]12 March 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
China[c][/TD]
[TD]20.09%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]3 September 2016[13][/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Colombia[/TD]
[TD]0.41%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]12 July 2018[/TD]
[TD]11 August 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Comoros[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]23 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]23 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Congo, Democratic Republic of the[/TD]
[TD]0.06%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]13 December 2017[/TD]
[TD]12 January 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Congo, Republic of the[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 April 2017[/TD]
[TD]21 May 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Cook Islands[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]24 June 2016[/TD]
[TD]1 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Costa Rica[/TD]
[TD]0.03%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]13 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]12 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Côte d'Ivoire[/TD]
[TD]0.73%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]25 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]24 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Croatia[a][/TD]
[TD]0.07%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]24 May 2017[/TD]
[TD]23 June 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Cuba[/TD]
[TD]0.10%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]28 December 2016[/TD]
[TD]27 January 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Cyprus[a][/TD]
[TD]0.02%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 January 2017[/TD]
[TD]3 February 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Czech Republic[a][/TD]
[TD]0.34%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 October 2017[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Denmark[d][a][/TD]
[TD]0.15%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]1 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]1 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Djibouti[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]11 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]11 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Dominica[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Dominican Republic[/TD]
[TD]0.07%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2017[/TD]
[TD]21 October 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
East Timor[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]16 August 2017[/TD]
[TD]15 September 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Ecuador[/TD]
[TD]0.67%[/TD]
[TD]26 July 2016[/TD]
[TD]20 September 2017[/TD]
[TD]20 October 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Egypt[/TD]
[TD]0.52%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]29 June 2017[/TD]
[TD]29 July 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
El Salvador[/TD]
[TD]0.03%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]27 March 2017[/TD]
[TD]26 April 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Equatorial Guinea[/TD]
[TD]N/Ahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Paris_Agreement#cite_note-nocomm-16[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]30 October 2018[/TD]
[TD]29 November 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Estonia[a][/TD]
[TD]0.06%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Eswatini[/TD]
[TD]0.05%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Ethiopia[/TD]
[TD]0.13%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]9 March 2017[/TD]
[TD]8 April 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
European Union[/TD]
[TD]N/A[e][/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Fiji[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Finland[a][/TD]
[TD]0.17%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]14 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]14 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
France[a][/TD]
[TD]1.34%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Gabon[/TD]
[TD]0.02%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]2 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]2 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Gambia, The[/TD]
[TD]0.05%[/TD]
[TD]26 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]7 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]7 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Georgia[/TD]
[TD]0.03%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]8 May 2017[/TD]
[TD]7 June 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Germany[a][/TD]
[TD]2.56%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Ghana[/TD]
[TD]0.09%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Greece[a][/TD]
[TD]0.28%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]14 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]13 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Grenada[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Guatemala[/TD]
[TD]0.04%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]25 January 2017[/TD]
[TD]24 February 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Guinea[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Guinea-Bissau[/TD]
[TD]0.02%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 October 2018[/TD]
[TD]21 November 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Guyana[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]20 May 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Haiti[/TD]
[TD]0.02%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]31 July 2017[/TD]
[TD]30 August 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Honduras[/TD]
[TD]0.03%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Hungary[a][/TD]
[TD]0.15%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Iceland[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
India[/TD]
[TD]4.10%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]2 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Indonesia[/TD]
[TD]1.49%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]31 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]30 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Ireland[a][/TD]
[TD]0.16%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Israel[/TD]
[TD]0.20%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Italy[a][/TD]
[TD]1.18%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]11 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]11 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Jamaica[/TD]
[TD]0.04%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]10 April 2017[/TD]
[TD]10 May 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Japan[/TD]
[TD]3.79%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]8 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]8 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Jordan[/TD]
[TD]0.07%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Kazakhstan[/TD]
[TD]0.84%[/TD]
[TD]2 August 2016[/TD]
[TD]6 December 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 January 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Kenya[/TD]
[TD]0.06%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]28 December 2016[/TD]
[TD]27 January 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Kiribati[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Kuwait[/TD]
[TD]0.09%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]23 April 2018[/TD]
[TD]23 May 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Kyrgyzstan[/TD]
[TD]0.03%[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]18 February 2020[/TD]
[TD]19 March 2020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Laos[/TD]
[TD]0.02%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]7 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Latvia[a][/TD]
[TD]0.03%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]16 March 2017[/TD]
[TD]15 April 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Lebanon[/TD]
[TD]0.07%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 February 2020[/TD]
[TD]6 March 2020[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Lesotho[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]20 January 2017[/TD]
[TD]19 February 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Liberia[/TD]
[TD]0.02%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]27 August 2018[/TD]
[TD]26 September 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Liechtenstein[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]20 September 2017[/TD]
[TD]20 October 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Lithuania[a][/TD]
[TD]0.05%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]2 February 2017[/TD]
[TD]4 March 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Luxembourg[a][/TD]
[TD]0.03%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
North Macedonia[/TD]
[TD]0.03%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]9 January 2018[/TD]
[TD]8 February 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Madagascar[/TD]
[TD]0.08%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Malawi[/TD]
[TD]0.07%[/TD]
[TD]20 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]29 June 2017[/TD]
[TD]29 July 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Malaysia[/TD]
[TD]0.52%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]16 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]16 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Maldives[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Mali[/TD]
[TD]0.03%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]23 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Malta[a][/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Marshall Islands[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Mauritania[/TD]
[TD]0.02%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]27 February 2017[/TD]
[TD]29 March 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Mauritius[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Mexico[/TD]
[TD]1.70%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Micronesia[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]15 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Moldova[/TD]
[TD]0.04%[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]20 June 2017[/TD]
[TD]20 July 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Monaco[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]24 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]23 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Mongolia[/TD]
[TD]0.05%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Montenegro[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]20 December 2017[/TD]
[TD]19 January 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Morocco[/TD]
[TD]0.16%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Mozambique[/TD]
[TD]0.02%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 June 2018[/TD]
[TD]4 July 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Myanmar[/TD]
[TD]0.10%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]19 September 2017[/TD]
[TD]19 October 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Namibia[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Nauru[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Nepal[/TD]
[TD]0.07%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Netherlands[f][a][/TD]
[TD]0.53%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]28 July 2017[/TD]
[TD]27 August 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
New Zealand[g][/TD]
[TD]0.22%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Nicaragua[/TD]
[TD]0.03%[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]23 October 2017[/TD]
[TD]22 November 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Niger[/TD]
[TD]0.04%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Nigeria[/TD]
[TD]0.57%[/TD]
[TD]22 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]16 May 2017[/TD]
[TD]15 June 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Niue[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]28 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]28 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]27 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
North Korea[/TD]
[TD]0.23%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]1 August 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Norway[/TD]
[TD]0.14%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]20 June 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Oman[/TD]
[TD]0.06%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 May 2019[/TD]
[TD]21 June 2019[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Pakistan[/TD]
[TD]0.43%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]10 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]10 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Palau[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Palestine[/TD]
[TD]N/A[h][/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Panama[/TD]
[TD]0.03%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Papua New Guinea[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Paraguay[/TD]
[TD]0.06%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]14 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]13 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Peru[/TD]
[TD]0.22%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]25 July 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Philippines[/TD]
[TD]0.34%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]23 March 2017[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Poland[a][/TD]
[TD]1.06%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]7 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]6 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Portugal[a][/TD]
[TD]0.18%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Qatar[/TD]
[TD]0.17%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]23 June 2017[/TD]
[TD]23 July 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Romania[a][/TD]
[TD]0.30%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]1 June 2017[/TD]
[TD]1 July 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Russia[/TD]
[TD]7.53%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]7 October 2019[/TD]
[TD]6 November 2019[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Rwanda[/TD]
[TD]0.02%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]6 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Saint Kitts and Nevis[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Saint Lucia[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]29 June 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Samoa[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
San Marino[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]26 September 2018[/TD]
[TD]26 October 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
São Tomé and Príncipe[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]2 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]2 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Saudi Arabia[/TD]
[TD]0.80%[/TD]
[TD]3 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]3 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]3 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Senegal[/TD]
[TD]0.05%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Serbia[/TD]
[TD]0.18%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]25 July 2017[/TD]
[TD]24 August 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Seychelles[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]25 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]29 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Sierra Leone[/TD]
[TD]0.98%https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Paris_Agreement#cite_note-SL-29[/TD]
[TD]22 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]1 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]1 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Singapore[/TD]
[TD]0.13%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Slovakia[a][/TD]
[TD]0.12%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]5 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Slovenia[a][/TD]
[TD]0.05%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]16 December 2016[/TD]
[TD]15 January 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Solomon Islands[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Somalia[/TD]
[TD]N/Ahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Paris_Agreement#cite_note-nocomm-16[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
South Africa[/TD]
[TD]1.46%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]1 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]1 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
South Korea[/TD]
[TD]1.85%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]3 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]3 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Spain[a][/TD]
[TD]0.87%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]12 January 2017[/TD]
[TD]11 February 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Sri Lanka[/TD]
[TD]0.05%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Sudan[/TD]
[TD]0.18%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]2 August 2017[/TD]
[TD]1 September 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Suriname[/TD]
[TD]0.01%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]13 February 2019[/TD]
[TD]15 March 2019[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Sweden[a][/TD]
[TD]0.15%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]13 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]12 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Switzerland[/TD]
[TD]0.14%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]6 October 2017[/TD]
[TD]5 November 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Syria[/TD]
[TD]0.21%[/TD]
[TD][/TD]

[TD]13 November 2017[/TD]
[TD]13 December 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]0.11%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]18 May 2018[/TD]
[TD]17 June 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Tajikistan[/TD]
[TD]0.02%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 March 2017[/TD]
[TD]21 April 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Thailand[/TD]
[TD]0.64%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Togo[/TD]
[TD]0.02%[/TD]
[TD]19 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]28 June 2017[/TD]
[TD]28 July 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Tonga[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Trinidad and Tobago[/TD]
[TD]0.04%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 February 2018[/TD]
[TD]24 March 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Tunisia[/TD]
[TD]0.11%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]10 February 2017[/TD]
[TD]12 March 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Turkmenistan[/TD]
[TD]0.20%[/TD]
[TD]23 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]20 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]19 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Tuvalu[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Uganda[/TD]
[TD]0.07%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Ukraine[/TD]
[TD]1.04%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]19 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
United Arab Emirates[/TD]
[TD]0.53%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
United Kingdom[/TD]
[TD]1.55%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]18 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]18 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
United States[j][/TD]
[TD]17.89%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]3 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Uruguay[/TD]
[TD]0.05%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]19 October 2016[/TD]
[TD]18 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Uzbekistan[/TD]
[TD]0.54%[/TD]
[TD]19 April 2017[/TD]
[TD]9 November 2018[/TD]
[TD]9 December 2018[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Vanuatu[/TD]
[TD]0.00%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]4 November 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Venezuela[/TD]
[TD]0.52%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]21 July 2017[/TD]
[TD]20 August 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Vietnam[/TD]
[TD]0.72%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]3 November 2016[/TD]
[TD]3 December 2016[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Zambia[/TD]
[TD]0.04%[/TD]
[TD]20 September 2016[/TD]
[TD]9 December 2016[/TD]
[TD]8 January 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]
Zimbabwe[/TD]
[TD]0.18%[/TD]
[TD]22 April 2016[/TD]
[TD]7 August 2017[/TD]
[TD]6 September 2017[/TD]
[/TR]
 

lancpudn

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Neither is Africa, South America or the Pacific. All car manufacturers in the EU should just focus on the rest of the world for a while, while the business and the technology settles down.

I heard a quite informative broadcast recently on the radio about how electric vehicles won’t be the future because of the incredible mining and infrastructure (and resulting environmental effects) necessary to produce and operate them in large numbers. The commentator was quite emphatic the hydrogen was going to be the answer, and suggested that the technology is further advanced than the e-folk would like you to believe.

Me, I’ve got no idea on e vs h, but I know here in the mythical land ICE vehicles will be the status quo for at least the next 10-20 years, which gives us plenty of time to eventually back the right technology.

I do, however, think the argument about the environmental impact of large scale e-vehicles is probably correct, if not understated.

cheers
Yeah ICE vehicles will around for some time to come but they will be even more expensive to run over here than they already are & will be restricted as to where you will be able to use them, I foresee 'Fuel tourism' on the cards in the not too distant future where people will cross borders to seek out cheap diesel/petrol to fill up.

Someone I know had a wakeup call to these new measures when he visited his daughter in London last week, He has an old Rover 75 diesel car similar to mine & fell foul of the ULEZ zone & congestion zone, He received a letter from Transport for London with a Penalty Charge of £80 & two days later received another letter with a Penalty Charge ( again for £80) this time from the Ultra Low Emission Zone department which rises to £160 if not paid promptly :wow:

Older cars wont be welcome in cities & towns CAZ's.:(
 
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redcoats1976

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Neither is Africa, South America or the Pacific. All car manufacturers in the EU should just focus on the rest of the world for a while, while the business and the technology settles down.

I heard a quite informative broadcast recently on the radio about how electric vehicles won’t be the future because of the incredible mining and infrastructure (and resulting environmental effects) necessary to produce and operate them in large numbers. The commentator was quite emphatic the hydrogen was going to be the answer, and suggested that the technology is further advanced than the e-folk would like you to believe.

Me, I’ve got no idea on e vs h, but I know here in the mythical land ICE vehicles will be the status quo for at least the next 10-20 years, which gives us plenty of time to eventually back the right technology.

I do, however, think the argument about the environmental impact of large scale e-vehicles is probably correct, if not understated.

cheers
i could see hydrogen powered vehicles being more practical.the company i work for is currently running just over 200 hydrogen powered semi trucks.it does take about 1/2 hour to fuel them fully although it would be easier to convert current gas stations to hydrogen.we would have to generate much more electricity to convert the worlds transportation systems to battery powered vehicles and that would certainly come at a higher environmental cost,not to mention the damage all of the mining for rare earth minerals that would entail.
 

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It’s all irrelevant to me though, I have 2.0L 3 series touring that has 230 hp and can do a round trip of 900 miles on one tank of diesel. this car will see me out. 80k on clock, last bmw diesel I had lasted for 259k before it became not worth repairing for me, I traded it, it’s still on the road with a new owner.
 

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in 20 years we'll all be using radioactive waste for energy, solving the global climate crisis and completely eliminating the need for fossil fuels.

greta will be happy, in her unemployment.
 


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