Vintage Bees and 50's Wiring Tone Test/Comparison

VastHorizon

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In an attempt to show whether the difference between modern stock wiring (w/ stock pots and capacitors)
and 50's wiring (500k CTS audio taper pots and real 50's bumblebees .010 uF) actually exists, I made a clip using both.

I hope this might help people who are thinking about doing the mod.

The guitar is a 2007 1958 Gibson Les Paul Re-Issue with the amp set the same.

All knobs are turned to 10 and the bridge pickup was used. All factors were kept the same.

I played Free's All Right Now.

Here are the clips:

Stock: SoundClick artist: VastHorizonMLP - page with MP3 music downloads

Bees: SoundClick artist: VastHorizonMLP - page with MP3 music downloads

Which one do you prefer? Do you hear a difference? You thoughts?
 

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so far so god but looking forward to some real bee mojo!!!
 

Raz59

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Well now, let's hear those singin' bees!
 

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Both were recorded using the same setup but the one with the bees was exported as a slightly louder mp3 file.
 

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I hear what I'd have predicted, very similar difference to what I experienced going to '50s wiring twice (but with no other changes). I liked what I got and stuck with it - imagine you'll be doing the same. :thumb:

The volume difference does make it hard to be sure what one's hearing, but only as much as does knowing what to expect. :)

If you've got the software tools, even out the volumes and tell us what they are in reverse! :naughty: But yeah, very worthwhile mod and no, your style doesn't suck.
 

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Yeah, after the upgrade it sounds way more open. Definitely a worthwhile mod for anyone on the borderline of doing it or not.
 

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Volume's uneven. But I gave the bees clip a -3db to have a fair listening comparison.



To my ears at least, the bees have a more rounded tone, without losing the nice chime in the top end (well, maybe it softens it a little, I don't know?). I'm not sure if 'taking off a wet blanket' is a good description, as the 'sampler clip' has more presence to it. But listening to that, I think I need some bees, they're just what I need. From my experience, mylars have a good soft vocal quality I like (albeit too rounded, lacks clarity and sparkly highs), then switching over to k40 PIO's gave me a certain clarity and edge I've never had before, but then I lost some of the rounded tone I liked with mylars, even as I roll back the tone....

Those were nice clips Vast. They may be the middle ground I gotta have. :)
 

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Definitely an improvement in sound from the stock electronics, although it's difficult to say how much of that is due to the pots, the wiring, or the cap.

Did you have the tone and volume controls on your guitar all the way up?
 

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Wonderfull improvement with the new gear :)
Try turning the tone knob to 0 on the neck with your 0,01uF Bee ;)
 

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ok...OPINION TIME - without checking these on a meter...which of the following would you prefer for a neck and bridge cap (all bee caps):

.01 10% 400 VDC
.01 20% 400 VDC
.012 10% 200 VDC
.022 10% 400 VDC
 

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ok...OPINION TIME - without checking these on a meter...which of the following would you prefer for a neck and bridge cap (all bee caps):

.01 10% 400 VDC
.01 20% 400 VDC
.012 10% 200 VDC
.022 10% 400 VDC
You´ll get more opinions if you start a new thread;)
 

jonesy

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I just checked out those clips, the stock one was kinda harsh and the Bee clip was warmer and fuller sounding to me. Thanks for taking time to record those differences and making those sound clips. Glad those upgrades worked out good for you ;)
 

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Edit, put on some headphones to compare a little better, yeah the bottom end is a little more pronounced and more open with better clarity. It's just a nicer well balanced sound with the bees. I really like that sound alot, can't wait to rig my guitars out with bees. I am putting bees and some LOTB's in my replica, should ring like a bell!!!!!
 




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