Venezuela is Crazy Right Now

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You do realize that even with my safe full of guns, which I have... I am no match for tanks, airplanes, rocket launchers and brigades of heavily armed troops, right? Add all of us together and the battle might last 15 minutes.

Those days are long gone, my firend. They left with flintlock rifles and horses.

Back OT... We need to stay the fuck out of other country's business'.

Steve, I agree 100 percent with you. We can't defend against an army, with equipment, we will have to defend ourselves from our neighbors, and other unfriendlys.

Where I disagree is that any chance of freedom is lost without an armed population, which is why so many countries disarm their citizens.
 

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Seriously???? Rethink this, kiddies. You really think an armed militia could succeed in a revolution in this country?

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Read my comment back.

There was/is already a plan Z on the books.
 

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Seriously???? Rethink this, kiddies. You really think an armed militia could succeed in a revolution in this country?

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Yep.

If a bunch of uneducated, goat banging, towel heads in Afghanistan can hold off US military forces for 15+ years, I think there’s a good chance. Plus the defection rate from US forces would cut their strength by at least 2/3.

I’ve never met an Army or other active duty military that would be willing to fire on their own families or friends.

LEO’s, otoh.....
 

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I think LEO's would be protecting their own families and friends. Some would follow orders some would not.

I met a guy running for Sherrif in my state that did tell me if he was told to seize weapons he would follow orders, his fellow officers said they would not .
 

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Yep.

If a bunch of uneducated, goat banging, towel heads in Afghanistan can hold off US military forces for 15+ years, I think there’s a good chance. Plus the defection rate from US forces would cut their strength by at least 2/3.

I’ve never met an Army or other active duty military that would be willing to fire on their own families or friends.

LEO’s, otoh.....
I don't know anymore. The political division in this country has certainly intensified and I know social media posts are mostly grandstanding bullshit, but I see people talking about civil war and labeling their neighbors as "not real Americans" because they disagree on political, social and economic issues. It's not that far fetched to think Americans could be fighting other Americans
 

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Yep.

If a bunch of uneducated, goat banging, towel heads in Afghanistan can hold off US military forces for 15+ years, I think there’s a good chance. Plus the defection rate from US forces would cut their strength by at least 2/3.

I’ve never met an Army or other active duty military that would be willing to fire on their own families or friends.

LEO’s, otoh.....
That had more of a policy issue than a reality to the matter. If the US took the chains off the mil, and not sympathize/profit things would not go the way they had over the last few wars.

ISIS owned a vast amount of territory, and until they actually went to work to crush them and their money. Took about a year to get it done.

When someone on the ground calls in a fire mission with troops in the open, then have that go up 4 or 5 layers of command, and about 90 mins of time has passed, you're not exactly putting good effect on target. Especially when it gets denied.

I think a LOT of things will come out on why things had been fought they way they had, and none of it good.

Back to plan Z, one of the biggest challenges to suppress a revolt in the US, was with international treaties allowing certain elements to back up the "gov" in case such a thing were to happen. "They" know that, the oath sworn by the volunteers of the US Mil, would prevent them from unleashing on the populace in a such a way. The planes, tanks, and manpower, would be protecting and standing with, not rolling over family members and neighbors.
 

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Seriously???? Rethink this, kiddies. You really think an armed militia could succeed in a revolution in this country?

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Of course it wouldn't.

In reality it only serves as a deterrent. The utter mess of disarment plus loss of life would likely be enough to prevent any widespread goverment vs the people military action
 
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I can still post in this thread? Really? I guess the ban on all things political is over. And to think, I didn't even get the memo.
 

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I can still post in this thread? Really? I guess the ban on all things political is over. And to think, I didn't even get the memo.
I dont see anything particularly partisan or political in this thread. I dont see anyone arguing about much of anything either.

Say no to troll's lol
 

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When people start legitimately talking about setting capitalism aside and readily flushing the pricnciples this country was founded upon down the crapper they aren't the kind of people I'd consider American. The sad thing is most of them have family that fought for this country or risked their lives to come to America from a place where freedom sits in the back of the bus.

One thing is for sure, those "Americans" that think they can make the rest of us abandon the founding principles of this country are in for a rough time.

The constitution, and the declaration of independence, the bill of rights, are things that REAL AMERICANS believe in. Give me liberty or give me death wasn't B.S. then and if the issue is forced upon our citizens now it's pretty easy to surmise what the case will be now.

People that are appalled at those of us that don't recognize socialists as real Americans, maybe you should move to Venezuela right now. Most people can make the best choice when presented with the facts and while most of us can engage in debate and really hear dissenting opinions, legitimate talk of socialism being a viable alternative is pure garbage.
 

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Sorry for the rant. The following is what I should have said.

The fact that I used the phrase "real Americans", and that some people are offended by that phrase says all it needs to about both camps.
 

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Seriously???? Rethink this, kiddies. You really think an armed militia could succeed in a revolution in this country?

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Numbers make a difference. UNARMED uprisings have overwhelmed Militaries across the globe, in modern times, by having numbers. And, that is even without Military personell defecting to the 'uprising'.

Current Estimates of US Military, all branches, Active and Reserves/National Guard is 2.1 million. Mind you, only about a third to 2/5 of those are combat troops. Additionally, currently 200,000 of them are overseas. But, lets be super conservative and say, US Military can put 500K against the upprising, all services combined. Let's assume that 100% of them would be willing to fight their own countrymen. Let's even assume that outside countries, who see it as a good thing if the US is destroyed, lessened, etc, and wouldn't support the uprising in any way at all.

That still leaves them facing an ARMED force of between 50-125 MILLION potentially. Start throwing in what would most likely be a large, if not majority of Military personel refusing to fight or joining La Revolution, and yes. I think an amed Militia can
 


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