Vanilla Smell

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Here's a quote from last year from TKL's Director of Domestic & International Operations, do with it what you will: "The adhesives we use are all water-based, and have their natural odors scented with a vanilla concentrate. Sometimes there is a residual odor. The concentration of this scent will continue to diminish over time."
 

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"Yikes" is right. Wouldn't deductive reasoning lead one to conclude that it might be the case producing at least part of the vanilla smell if a closed compartment inside the case produces the exact quantity of vanilla smell as the open area inside the case? If it is ONLY the guitar finish producing the smell, then how could it permeate a closed compartment to the same degree as the outside area touching the guitar? Also, I can put any guitar in that case, even a guitar with no smell whatsoever, and it will come out smelling like vanilla after a few days.
Nitrocellulose lacquer produces a vanilla like smell, but not always the same. For example, my Rickenbacker has what they call "Rick-o-smell", it's a vanilla-like smell but not like Gibson USA. My Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul has a vanilla like smell but it's more earthy smelling than the Gibson USA models. It has been scientifically proven that one of the scents most attractive to the male brain is the smell of doughnuts, which in my opinion come close to the smell of a Gibson USA Les PAul. I don't think it would be a stretch that a vanilla scent may be added to nitro, the case, or both, in order to make something more attractive to the main purchasers of said item.
Simple physics that shouldn't need explained, but apparently does. The compartment is *far* from air tight and a still absorbs oders from the case which is much more airtight. The guitar is solid material and such is *much* harder to absorb odors than the lining of a case. Putting your guitar back in you case puts it in an air tight area where the fumes can't escape. You may think it is odor free, but it is still emitting. The case isn't, but the odor is trapped in a closed case
Leave your case open for a few weeks while you put that guitar in another previously odor free airtight case for the same time period.
Then come back and tell us what the results are from a truly objective test, since you think you know different. And while you're at it, you can explain why Gibsons that come in a gig bag have that smell too, while Gibson cases that come w/o a guitar don't.
Oh, and you are quite right, there are a lot of variations to that smell. It is no wonder it is described differently.
 
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This is from 4:35 pm today, I asked TKL myself. For what it's worth TKL says they add a vanilla scent to the glue in their cases. I don't think there's anything else to argue about.
 

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That sweet vanilla smell is pure monkey jism.
That's a scientific fact.
 

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I had a PRS that smelled of vanilla. It' the polishing compound they use on the wheels in the factory. Nitro cellulose smells horrible when you get up close and personal.
 

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so.. maybe I should be adding a bit of vanilla extract to glue? :) I might actually completely replace the interior of a very smelly old case and I could do the same.
 

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I have. No vanilla smell.
Who was it manufactured by? I bought 2 TKL Gibson cases and all had that vanilla smell. As well as one Fender case, but another cheaper Fender case didn't have it.
 

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IF the fingerboard is baked maple, it will smell like a combination of vanilla and pancake syrup.



I know there are other, older threads, but a friend and I went into a long discussion about it last night and I think we hit some good points and came up with a reasonable answer.
I've heard different stories about that smell... Ooh ooh, that smeeeeeelllll!

1. A dealer told me they actually spray a bit of vanilla extract into the case.
2. Someone posted it's off gassing from the nitro and glue they use in the case.
*Having sprayed lacquer and used a variety of spray adhesives (I build flight cases for a living. Foam and fur lined both use the same adhesive and it does not smell like vanilla in any way) I find this one hard to believe*
3. I heard an urban legend, when Gibson first started making guitars they were nextdoor to a bakery or something and the smell of the baked good would flood the shop with an aroma that would permeate the cases so now it's done for nostalgia purposes

So, here's my theory: Knowing first hand the fumes from adhesives, off gassing lacquers and solvents used for cleaning after applications of said materials, I believe, the cases are indeed sprayed with vanilla but for no other reason than to mask the smell of the chemicals used in production and clean up.
 

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View attachment 291441 This is from 4:35 pm today, I asked TKL myself. For what it's worth TKL says they add a vanilla scent to the glue in their cases. I don't think there's anything else to argue about.
Almost every new TKL case I've ever had, or seen smelled nothing like vanilla. In fact, they had a very "sour" scent. Weird.
 

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I understand, but that doesn't tell us who manufactured it. Gibson is using different suppliers.
Gotcha. I don't know who the manufacturer was. It's a case for the Ace Frehley custom shop model. I bought the case empty from a Sam Ash clearance sale many years ago. It was listed as new but who knows.
 

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When I worked in a guitar factory and they would have us buff the guitars on a stew mac buffing wheel, the compound(s) we were using had no smell. The compound would get in the air and all over my clothes and hair and it didn't smell like vanilla OR monkey jizz.

What a ripoff.

That being said, I've smelled some delicious polishing compounds and car waxes in the past.

One time the wheel "grabbed" the guitar out of my hands and I instinctively (stupidly) tried to stop it, I ended up getting my hand smashed and my nuts kicked by a Chinese les paul copy. Good thing the boss thought it was funny I guess.
 

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My R9 has not been in it's case for 3 1/2 years. And of the 8+ years I've had it, it has spent at most a few months total in the case. Just checked, and the R9 itself still has a hint of the vanilla smell. Pull the case out and it still smells strongly. Of course the case has been closed. So whether the case is the source of the smell, or the original smell has been trapped in the case, I don't know. And if the case had been open for years and did or didn't still smell, I don't think that would mean anything. Even of the case were the source, the guitar finish could have absorbed some of it and may hold it longer than the case.

I like DarellV's idea that it is the Gibson wax. If he has some and says it smells like that, that's pretty strong evidence. It seems likely the guitars were polished with it at the factory. And no question the nitro would have picked up some of the wax and odor and the case lining could easily pick up the wax as well. I would also expect that waxing might be one of the very last things done to these guitars before going in the case. So it makes some sense the wax wouldn't even have fully dried before the git goes in the case and ipso facto, the first time you open that case you get blasted with it.
 

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Do you know this for a fact? My theory is just that, theory, so if you know for certain could you please explain? I've used various lacquers and the closest I've used smelled a bit like banana if anything.
My Studio didn't come with case, only a gigbag, and I still remember that smell. It is, IMO, the guitar.
 




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