USPS sued over purchasing gasoline powered delivery vehicles.

[scott1970]

Aren't all stamps those forever variety these days?



Unpopular stamps? I know some people like me don't give a sheeeeet what the stamps are. Sell them to that group.

And while we're at it they need to issue a Judge Judy stamp.

Long overdue.




She's so hot.

He said if the stamps didn't sell enough, then back they go. These were stamps of the Mayflower. Maybe these were unpopular due to European privilege.

 

[Fiat Lux]

And while we're at it they need to issue a Judge Judy stamp.

Long overdue.

She's so hot.

Excuse me… but I come from a land down under…

Are there two Judge Judy’s???

cheers.

 

[wildhawk1]

Excuse me… but I come from a land down under…

Are there two Judge Judy’s???

cheers.

You want to be in her land down under but she's mine.

 

[Uncle Vinnie]

Those a-holes have no standing to sue USPS for this. It's just a publicity stunt.

It will go away in a week.

 

[Uncle Vinnie]

USPS delivery trucks are one of the best uses for EVs. They run a prescribed daily route usually less than the EV range and are parked at night with plenty of time for charging. It is stupid to use gasoline power for this purpose.

True, but other factors make it impractical.

To replace the current fleet of about 200k vehicles would be financially impossible.

Most vehicle maintenance is done at the local post offices by a VOMA (vehicle operations & maintenance assistant that is not a full-fledged mechanic) who would all need to be trained how to maintain an EV.

There are over 30,000 post offices in the U.S., so all of them would have to be equipped with charging stations for multiple vehicles.

An article I read said that the government has set aside $6B for the change over. To replace 200,000 vehicles at, guessing, $60k/vehicle that comes to $12B.

A financial and logistical nightmare. The price of a stamp would double.

 

[KSG_Standard]

So if they get no tax money why should they be required to do any studies before they purchase vehicles?

They're broke, they've been broke since at least 2005 and everybody knew they were going broke. They made promises they couldn't keep with past and present employees, leaving US taxpayers on the hook for pensions and medical plans. They were on the downward spiral before Congress mandated that they prefund their medical plan and they continue on that spiral in spite of the fact that they haven't actually paid their prefunding in years.

They don't get to operate like a private or publicly traded company, they operate under partial control of Congress. This fact helps to make sure they are inefficient, wasteful and poorly run, like all other government bureaucracies and GSEs. The world is changing around us, the traditional mail system and monopoly on the mail box is not working anymore. Let it go.

Save the trees...think of the children...

 

[pnuggett]

It is more the burping than the poots.

Too much fiber. Fiber is evil.

 

[rfrizz]

Too much fiber. Fiber is evil.

Since a high-fiber diet tends to make human too farty, Metamucil is likely next target of non-thinking environmentalists.

 

[rfrizz]

Since a high-fiber diet tends to make human too farty, Metamucil is likely next target of non-thinking environmentalists.

I specified "non-thinking" because there are too many environmentalists who do not think adequately about proposals, and miss unintended consequences which limit or even eliminate gains. Y'know, the ones who think alcohol should replace gasoline, but fail to take into account the energy needed for distillation, or the CO2 produced during fermentation.

 

[pnuggett]

The states that sued are California, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.

The Bay Area Air Quality Management District in California, District of Columbia and city of New York joined that lawsuit, as well.

 

[Tone deaf]

True, but other factors make it impractical.

To replace the current fleet of about 200k vehicles would be financially impossible.

Most vehicle maintenance is done at the local post offices by a VOMA (vehicle operations & maintenance assistant that is not a full-fledged mechanic) who would all need to be trained how to maintain an EV.

There are over 30,000 post offices in the U.S., so all of them would have to be equipped with charging stations for multiple vehicles.

An article I read said that the government has set aside $6B for the change over. To replace 200,000 vehicles at, guessing, $60k/vehicle that comes to $12B.

A financial and logistical nightmare. The price of a stamp would double.

200,000 vehicles across 30,000 offices...

We all know the govt can't do anything in a cost effective way. So, I'd estimate $7,500 per charging station installed. If you average 5:1 EVs to chargers, that is another $300,000,000 that we don't have.

 

[Tone deaf]

I specified "non-thinking" because there are too many environmentalists who do not think adequately about proposals, and miss unintended consequences which limit or even eliminate gains. Y'know, the ones who think alcohol should replace gasoline, but fail to take into account the energy needed for distillation, or the CO2 produced during fermentation.

Well, there are two types of environmentalists:

1. Traditional folks who practice ecological conservation as a way of life. I count every fisherman, hunter and outdoors person I know amongst them.

2. People for whom the "Environmental Cause" has become a cultish religion, most of whom don't do **** all of any practical conservation of the environment in their daily lives. They prefer to preach from on high and dictate how others should behave with no sense of, or care for, the impact those dictates may have.

 

[Olds442]

i just sprayed weed killer on my lawn.

oh the humanity.

 

[ArchEtech]

If they have EV delivery trucks that go 0-60 in 3.6 seconds, does that mean it doesn’t take 3 weeks to get a tiny package delivered? Asking for a friend.

I’d like to know what EV vehicle they are planning on commissioning. I think we are a long ways off entire fleets of vehicles being EV. They need to do some testing, verify infrastructure, find the right vehicle, design what works. If it takes half the time of the last fighter jet, we should have an answer in 25 years at a cost of 4 Billion.

 

[Olds442]

If they have EV delivery trucks that go 0-60 in 3.6 seconds, does that mean it doesn’t take 3 weeks to get a tiny package delivered? Asking for a friend.

I’d like to know what EV vehicle they are planning on commissioning. I think we are a long ways off entire fleets of vehicles being EV. They need to do some testing, verify infrastructure, find the right vehicle, design what works. If it takes half the time of the last fighter jet, we should have an answer in 25 years at a cost of 4 Billion.

you never get your delivery because the batteries will all ignite at some point, taking warehouses full of guitars with them.

the upside, you won't get a guitar with a broken headstock.

 

[Tone deaf]

you never get your delivery because the batteries will all ignite at some point, taking warehouses full of guitars with them.

the upside, you won't get a guitar with a broken headstock.

Remember that ship full of luxury cars that caught fire and sank?

 

[SteveGangi]

USPS delivery trucks are one of the best uses for EVs. They run a prescribed daily route usually less than the EV range and are parked at night with plenty of time for charging. It is stupid to use gasoline power for this purpose.

Provided they plan enough charging facilities.

 

[LP121]

i just sprayed weed killer on my lawn.

oh the humanity.

Let me know if it works.

 

[Olds442]

Remember that ship full of luxury cars that caught fire and sank?

was the boat electric?

 

[rfrizz]

I specified "non-thinking" because there are too many environmentalists who do not think adequately about proposals, and miss unintended consequences which limit or even eliminate gains. Y'know, the ones who think alcohol should replace gasoline, but fail to take into account the energy needed for distillation, or the CO2 produced during fermentation.

Well, there are two types of environmentalists:

1. Traditional folks who practice ecological conservation as a way of life. I count every fisherman, hunter and outdoors person I know amongst them.

2. People for whom the "Environmental Cause" has become a cultish religion, most of whom don't do **** all of any practical conservation of the environment in their daily lives. They prefer to preach from on high and dictate how others should behave with no sense of, or care for, the impact those dictates may have.

I think it is safe to say that the "non-thinking" environmentalists I mentioned fall into your second category almost without exception. The cultish/religion types do no more than parrot what they have read and heard, and can't be bothered to apply critical thinking to the issue; this is probably because they have a poor grasp of critical thinking.

A poor grasp of critical thinking describes the overwhelming majority of humans. This is why "The Big Lie" propaganda technique has worked so well over at least the past century.