Uber driver attacked by drunk 100lb doctor

[AudioWonderland]

You try kneeing me in the sack and I'm swinging on you. Man or woman.

Sometime you have to wonder how brave these girls would be if a good old fashion ass beating wasn't socially unacceptable

 

[2manyGuitars]

this ought to generate a few more pages of material. Heres a stellar member of society that got her lip split open for physically attacking, and ended up hauled off to prison in the process.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ssaults-husband-farting-bed-article-1.2474111

relax, relax.......she was drunk. Dont hit her or anything.......

Woman gets jail for assaulting man with scissors, screwdriver | WTVR.com

But Joey, you forgot the only facts that are pertinent in any of these cases...
The height and weight of the attackers and the victims.

/end sarcasm

 

[Kamen_Kaiju]

relax, relax.......she was drunk. Dont hit her or anything.......

Woman gets jail for assaulting man with scissors, screwdriver | WTVR.com

I was all, "she got a year in jail, what's the BFD?"

Then I saw what she did,...

According to the affidavit of probable cause, between 3 a.m. and 5 a.m., Patterson tied up the victim on her bed with an extension cord before hitting him on the head with a black lamp causing a laceration.

She ripped the earrings out of each of his ears and ripped piercings out of his nipples with a screwdriver causing redness and bleeding. Using scissors she carved the name “Ana” into his right arm and left leg.

She also scratched his face several times with the scissors and inserted a flat headed screwdriver into his private area, causing bleeding.


OMG Holy F*ck!!!! A Year!!! She only got a year!?!?!?!

.....a year!?!!?!??!?!?!!?


She'll be out in 6-8 months because of over crowding! Holy f**k get this sicko off the streets!!

 

[martin H]

You also failed to address the property damage aspect. She trashed his car. He isn't legally or morally obligated to stand by and watch that happen. He can use physical force to protect his property. He should have

He could. He should have? I think that was up to him.

A treatise on the use of force to defend property, other than when someone unlawfully enters your home or an "occupied structure" , which is a completely different situation, would take too long here, but please no-one rely on the idea that what might be appropriate in self-defense is appropriate in defending property. It's a much more finely calibrated defense

 

[Ed B]

Sometime you have to wonder how brave these girls would be if a good old fashion ass beating wasn't socially unacceptable

I agree. I bet they wouldn't be so brave at all. It's been like this forever though. Men have been raised to not hit woman for ages. They know this.

 

[Kamen_Kaiju]

This and the fact that we have a few scorned boys who REALLY want to make up for being scorned.

I don't see it that way at all.

Women shouldn't get a free pass to be violent. That's the crux of Joeys entire point.

My point was that if people are going to keep saying they're weak, little, and like simple minded children and should be treated that way, then why are we doing the whole 'equality' thing when deep down people consider them to be like children? They're either adults who are equal, or they're weak children. But can't be both. By considering them fragile and protected like children we've raised them to be a protected class. That's not equal.


....neither are popular views.

 

[Ed B]

They're either adults who are equal, or they're weak children.

I don't how to help.

 

[Caleb]

Women shouldn't get a free pass to be violent. That's the crux of Joeys entire point.

While this is true, Joey's view on the matter does not even come close to reality regarding what he thinks he would be able to get away with if an intoxicated and petite person tried to knee him in the balls.

 

[EDS1275]

Anger Management!!

 

[PeteK]

Golden pu$$y syndrome.

 

[Kamen_Kaiju]

While this is true, Joey's view on the matter does not even come close to reality regarding what he thinks he would be able to get away with if an intoxicated and petite person tried to knee him in the balls.

would he get in trouble if he slugged a 100lb dude who kneed him in the balls?

if someone knees me in the balls can I hit them?

It's very sad to think I can't. I'm pretty sure I'd want to.

If some drunk little midget dude goes buckwild on me do I have to do the Dark Helmet thing forever?

It's up to the person being attacked to determine a reasonable amount of response force?

I'd think you'd get at least a free hit.

I'm all for not stomping on people once they're down though.


I guess it comes down to a reasonable assessment and gauge of your opponents size and strength and then determine an appropriate response, while being attacked.

sure that's fair.

If they're your size or bigger, swing for the fences and hope you win the fight
If they're smaller then you don't hurt them too bad, and hope they're not crazy or armed

...I guess that's it.

 

[Caleb]

Mal, I'm not saying the way it ought to be, I'm saying the way it is. If myself or Joey knocked the hell out of that chick for, once again, an UNSUCCESSFUL knee to the balls, we would be done. There's no doubt in my mind. Internet pariahs, rogue violent off duty cops, all of that. I would certainly not bank on Joeys rationale to cut it in court.

Of course, I still don't know how that video turned into a debilitating and potentially fatal assault on the testicles in this thread.

 

[Kamen_Kaiju]

I'm torn. On one hand I feel like it should be acceptable to punch someone in the face who's attacking you.

On the other hand the thought of actually punching a little 100lb women in the face doesn't really sit right.

It's like you should but you shouldn't

 

[martin H]

Mal, I'm not saying the way it ought to be, I'm saying the way it is. If myself or Joey knocked the hell out of that chick for, once again, an UNSUCCESSFUL knee to the balls, we would be done. There's no doubt in my mind. Internet pariahs, rogue violent off duty cops, all of that. I would certainly not bank on Joeys rationale to cut it in court.

Of course, I still don't know how that video turned into a debilitating and potentially fatal assault on the testicles in this thread.

A potentially fatal assault on the testicles in which she potentially had a knife, a broken bottle, a pen to stab eyes out with, and probably a deadly ray gun, no less.

 

[Kamen_Kaiju]

It's those ray guns that get you too, you never even see that sh*t coming,...ask Greedo.



RIP Greedo

 

[Roberteaux]

If you can articulate a perceived threat

There's more to it than just having a good line of BS.

People have articulated their defense on the witness stand and were convicted anyway. There's no "if A, then automatically B" when it comes to use of force and violence.


Here's the actual law Florida law. I cite it because the incident took place in Florida:

776.012 Use or threatened use of force in defense of person.—
(1) A person is justified in using or threatening to use force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force

What this law tells us is that we can use force to a certain "extent" when we "reasonably believe" that such force is "necessary" for us to fully defend ourselves. But, any amount of force deemed to be unnecessary will be seen as unlawful and the defender will be charged with a crime. And trust me: down here, it happens quite a lot. People get mad and use more force to defend themselves than necessary, or sometimes continue to use force after it's no longer necessary, and they end up in prison quite often.

And again: in the aftermath of the incident, it won't be the defender who gets to evaluate whether the force was necessary. Instead that determination will be made first by the police, followed by the state attorney's office, followed by a jury if all things fall against the defender.

None of the above will be concerned with arguments of what *might* have happened, and instead will only care about what *did* happen. The only time the court cares about what "might" have happened is if somebody can prove specific intent to commit some crime. Other than that, the only things that would be court admissible would be what *did* happen. All the theories in this thread would never even make it into testimony.

The fact that people occasionally die from a groin injury is not grounds to presume that any attack to the groin is automatically a case of attempted murder. Instead the totality of circumstances will be looked at and the tests are:

1. did the defender exceed the extent of the amount of force actually needed to defeat the attack?
2. was it reasonable to believe it was truly necessary to use the amount of force that was used?

If you blow either of those envelopes in the mind of somebody else empowered to make such decisions, you're toast-- all social musings and theories notwithstanding.

Here, I'm not even saying that you can't punch a chick. If that guy slugged her, and she didn't suffer a great deal of injury as a result, it might have seemed tacky, but maybe that's all he's got and it might still be legal even if it is offensive to the sensibilities of others who see this happen and have certain feelings about protecting the weak rather than looking for excuses to use undue force.

But if he hauled off and hit her so hard that she suffered severe bodily injury and a great deal of physical damage as a result of the blow, it would more than likely be seen as a case where an overabundance of force was used and the defense is now unlawful. The fact that the chick tried to knee him in the nuts wouldn't be seen as so necessarily calling for a seriously damaging blow to be delivered to her-- especially if they saw he easily he contained her while he was still of a mind to do so.

The spirit of the law is that the citizens should live in peace. It is not the spirit of the law that society will provide a free pass for somebody to use force that is unnecessary just because he or she has an excuse. Clinging to the sheer letter of the law sounds cogent to those who don't actually deal with this stuff all the time, but the legal community feels otherwise and the decisions of those beyond the defender will be more binding than the opinions of anybody else at all.

Im fairly certain, given that fact, I can protect my nutsack from a violent, drunken attacker. Im not too concerned.

Depends on the attacker.

I've known guys who could outfight about 90% of the men out there, even while drunk as hell. Takes about four cops to arrest the guy, unless it's legal to just shoot his ass...

...which it usually ain't.

--R

 

[AudioWonderland]

I am very surprised that someone who supposedly protects and serves by profession would actually prescribe a beat down on a physically inferior opponent such as a drunken 100lb woman.

This behavior is not what I would call 'manly'.

Don't start none, won;t be none.

He didn't say beat down.. He said defend himself. They are not the same thing

 

[Ed B]

Don't start none, won;t be none.

He didn't say beat down.. He said defend himself. They are not the same thing

The driver defended himself. Joey said he would have had an excuse to do more than just shove her. And that he'd be hard pressed to not clock her.

But you're right. He didn't say "beat down".

 

[Joeydego]

The driver defended himself. Joey said he would have had an excuse to do more than just shove her. And that he'd be hard pressed to not clock her.

But you're right. He didn't say "beat down".

no excuse about it. Authorized under the law, being that its a legal issue. We've already determined not defending yourself due to moral issues is antiquated and stupid. Is a strike, upon infliction of substantial pain, authorized under the law? I think it is, so long as its in active combat. Some of my colleagues feel otherwise. I have no doubt there may be a legal fight, but Im confident the spoils of victory would be mine.

 

[PeteK]

Um, you're a cop Joey. I'm pretty sure you can shoot her under those circumstances.