Uber and Vomit Fraud

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A couple of days ago, the Miami Herald published a story concerning a scam labeled as "Vomit Fraud", with a claim that various Uber drivers in South Florida have been ripping people off with this latest bit of bunco.

"Vomit Fraud" is accomplished as follows: the Uber driver claims to Uber's management that he or she had to clean up barf left behind by a drunken customer who hurled during the ride. Uber's policy in such cases is to notify the client of the matter, while also tacking a charge of 80-150 bucks onto the credit card used by the client.

Uber's business policy entails an $80 minimum cleanup fee for the spillage (or other deposit) of human fluid nastiness, but the company's guidelines allow for a fee of up to $150 for the cleanup of "significant quantities of body fluids (urine, blood or vomit) in the interior of the vehicle."

No word on what they'd want if somebody got into a serious shit-smearing session... :hmm:

As noted, the victim becomes aware that he or she has been scammed when Uber contacts them with a cheerful communiqué advising that there has been an adjustment to the bill. And that's when things become a bit more vexatious, according to some claiming to be victims of this particular hustle.

This is because there is only one way to contact the overlords of Uber, and that is by going to the company's website or app and clicking on the "Help" button and then typing in one's complaint.

After doing that, the complainant can generally expect to receive a friendly response in which the company expresses its regret that the complainant is such a slob; this message comes complete with a photo of the mess sent in by the driver. After that comes the inevitable exchange of messages back and forth. In some cases, the client has gone to his or her credit card company to dispute the charge-- whereupon they ended up on a sort of blacklist maintained by Uber.

Uber has admitted that it occasionally finds itself with drivers who might perpetrate this sort of thing, and that it investigates these complaints and takes action against those who perpetrate fraud. Of course, Uber declines to say just how many such cases have come along so far or what one of their "investigations" actually amounts to... though at least one of the multiple cases reported in Miami was resolved in favor of the client.

In that case, a person who was supposed to get a ride from Uber at Miami International cancelled and was subsequently billed $6 for the cancellation, $16 for the ride she never took-- and $150 for the nasty mess she supposedly left in the car on the ride she never took. But as it happened, the woman was a reporter for the Spanish-language Miami newspaper el Nuevo Herald, and submitted a story to the paper she worked for. Uber seems to have been in a hurry to mollify that particular client... but others have said that every message they got from Uber shut them down and totally favored the driver.

One guy utilized two different Uber drivers on the same evening-- and ended up being charged a total of $300 for puking in both vehicles! :laugh2:

The Miami Sun Sentinel did a rehash on the same subject today, adding a few details along with the observation that apparently Vomit Fraud is not just a South Florida kind of game for some Uber drivers to play. One additional bit of information the Sun Sentinel provided was to say that the same scam is being reported frequently in Australia.

People! Is there anything they can't turn into some sort of shitty racket? :facepalm:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article215299675.html

--R
 
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I have a real problem with doing any sort of business with companies who don’t have direct and clear contact details (enabling them to be accountable to their customers and others).

You are absolutely correct that Uber is having a range of problems here in Australia right now. One of the more novel of these at the moment is Uber Eats drivers charging customers for delivery of a meal, then not delivering said meal (and presumably eating it themselves...).

Should be easy to establish what happened to the meal, you say? You would be correct if:

1. Aggrieved customer was able to contact Uber directly other than posting a complaint and then waiting for Uber to respond (can take days); and
2. Uber actually gave a sh1t about the customer, such as to respond, make inquiries, provide information to customer about those inquiries, etc.

I will not deal with Uber.

The other beauty is Facebook. My employer was slimed by a Facebook user. We wanted to contact Facebook to complain and get slimy posts removed.

Usual report a post process yielded no response/action whatsoever. Facebook was thereafter uncontactable. A staff member knew someone who knew Facebook Australia’s CEO so we got her email address and emailed our complaints again. No response. And again. No response. And again...

On the third try we received a dirty email from CEO demanding we stop harassing her.

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Sounds similar to the highly regulated USPS insurance scam. No one to actually contact in the case of an incident.
 
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One factor bothers me. The driver institutes this fraud, but what does he/she get out of it? Is the clean up money paid to the driver or retained by the company?

Also, it would seem smart to pay cash for Uber rides.
 

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One factor bothers me. The driver institutes this fraud, but what does he/she get out of it? Is the clean up money paid to the driver or retained by the company

The driver is given some portion of that money to offset the ostensible costs of cleanup. I have no idea what percentage this amounts to... but nobody's gonna pull this sort of crap without a payoff for themselves.

Also, it would seem smart to pay cash for Uber rides.

Yes, but in order to use Uber, one must have an account with that company. And for that, Uber requires either a credit card number or a Paypal account that's tied to one's checking account. Thus, even while paying in cash, one might be scammed via this method anyway.

It's also the case that in some places, Uber cannot or will not accept cash payments.

--R
 

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I expect the driver will get all of the vomit money, less any commission Uber is entitled to take. The bulk of the money will go to the driver for executing the fraud. Uber will be happy to take its slice for essentially doing nothing and displaying its usual level of bastardry and disinterest in customer claims.

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never seen an Uber or been in one and hopefully never will .. I have a car and happen to like licensed Taxi drivers with real insurance
 

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I wonder how the average Uber driver would react if one took a picture of the interior on their phone upon exiting the car? For that matter, taking pictures of the car, license plate, driver, and everything associated with the trip, just to keep the dirtbags at bay.

Granted, once the kidnapping has occurred, the phone is gonna be the first thing destroyed.
 

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I've never used Uber and can't imagine ever having to.
If I'm in London and felt the need to hail a cab, I'd hail a real one.
Black cabs and their drivers are awesome and I will choose them over Uber even though it may cost more.
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If there was going to be fraud in the taxi business - only makes sense it begins in Miami...next to Nigeria its home to more scammers per square mile than any area on earth.

Sadly the answer to all the problems is cameras, but everyone is so concerned with their "privacy" that they will never allow it. Want privacy - hire a private car service from a reputable company - want cheap public transit in someone else's Camry - forsake the privacy and go Uber/Lyft. I'll use Uber black from time to time - not that I think I get a safer/more reliable experience - just a somewhat more professional driver. At least this driver was "professional" enough to have the forethought to buy a car that would enable them to make $6-10 more a trip...indicating they plan on sticking with the job for more than a week.

To be fair - most taxi commissions have similar rules - drivers have the right to charge a clean up fee of $75-150 - of course they don't always have the direct payment info to charge and have to notify the taxi comm/dispatch and possibly local PD at the scene for validation/record of the complaint.

How many people are going to acknowledge pissing their pants in an uber even when the claim is legit though ?
 

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It's self correcting. The whole uber economy is based on a rating system. If this becomes rampant, people will start handing out zero stars and the rating for said driver will plummet. Then no one will choose that driver.

So the driver makes a quick buck, but will eventually screw themselves out of a job.
 
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