Treble Bleed wiring question

[R_Rbnsn]

Hi everyone,

I've been playing my Orville Les Paul a lot recently but whenever I turn down the volume it muddies up. Naturally I thought I'd fit a treble bleed and looked up how to do it (seems easy enough) but the wiring in my LP is slightly different to normal so am unsure if it makes a difference.

I've had a push/pull pot installed so that in the middle position I can reverse the phase of one of the pickups (to get those Peter Green out of phase style tones). Does this make any difference to how I would install the treble bleed... or would I just put it between the in/output lugs on the volume pot as normal?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks

 

[DPaulCustom]

wiring it as normal should be fine, but you could really use some full size 500k pots

 

[R_Rbnsn]

Thanks, although I've just done a little bit more reading and I'm now wondering if perhaps I'd be better off trying 50's wiring before I buy the treble bleed caps/resistors.

My playing style is such that I am always using the volume controls to vary the amount of gain/distortion but I almost never use the tone controls.

How easy would it be to switch to 50's wiring/how easy is it to reverse if i don't like it? Is it just a case of un-soldering/re-soldering some connections?

 

[Barabus]

Thanks, although I've just done a little bit more reading and I'm now wondering if perhaps I'd be better off trying 50's wiring before I buy the treble bleed caps/resistors.

My playing style is such that I am always using the volume controls to vary the amount of gain/distortion but I almost never use the tone controls.

How easy would it be to switch to 50's wiring/how easy is it to reverse if i don't like it? Is it just a case of un-soldering/re-soldering some connections?

Did it on mine and it stays as clear on 1 as it does on 10.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Guitar-Vo...?pt=UK_Guitar_Accessories&hash=item27d51c5a4e

 

[DPaulCustom]

Thanks, although I've just done a little bit more reading and I'm now wondering if perhaps I'd be better off trying 50's wiring before I buy the treble bleed caps/resistors.

My playing style is such that I am always using the volume controls to vary the amount of gain/distortion but I almost never use the tone controls.

How easy would it be to switch to 50's wiring/how easy is it to reverse if i don't like it? Is it just a case of un-soldering/re-soldering some connections?

Check out "wiring library" at the top of the tonefreaks section for lots of info.
Basically, you move the connection from the tone pot to the middle lug of the vol pot. real simple/easy, but makes a lot of difference. The tone pot actually does something besides being an on off knob

 

[R_Rbnsn]

Thanks for all your responses.

I've done a bit more searching and found a lot of different diagrams floating about so would just like to clarify.

This is the standard 50's wiring diagram which you see everywhere

But obviously in my guitar the bottom right tone pot is the push/pull pot for reversing phase. As the difference between modern and 50's wiring is where the cap connects to on the pots I'm guessing I might have to change where it connects on the push/pull?

If it were a case of just replicating the diagram it would be easy, but the push/pull obviously complicates matters!

Does anyone have a diagram for 50's wiring with the push/pull for phase reversal?

 

[Barabus]

Thanks for all your responses.

I've done a bit more searching and found a lot of different diagrams floating about so would just like to clarify.

This is the standard 50's wiring diagram which you see everywhere

But obviously in my guitar the bottom right tone pot is the push/pull pot for reversing phase. As the difference between modern and 50's wiring is where the cap connects to on the pots I'm guessing I might have to change where it connects on the push/pull?

If it were a case of just replicating the diagram it would be easy, but the push/pull obviously complicates matters!

Does anyone have a diagram for 50's wiring with the push/pull for phase reversal?

I just reversed the magnet in the neck pickup, when the selectors in the middle pos you have Greeny sound.

 

[David Collins]

The push pull phase switch has no bearing at all on either "50's wiring" or treble bleeds. For the former all that matters is the tone circuit connects to the volume at the center lug (regardless of whether it connects through the cap or through a wire to the tone pot), and the latter is just a cap or cap/resistor combo jumped across the upper and middle lugs o the volume. The phase switch has nothing to do with either of these mods.

If you never touch the tone control though, I would skip worrying about the "50's wiring", and just use a treble bleed.

 

[robrhy]

Did it on mine and it stays as clear on 1 as it does on 10.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Guitar-Volume-Pot-Treble-Bleed-Mod-Mullard-Mustard-NOS-001uf-Capacitor-Cap-/171079129678?pt=UK_Guitar_Accessories&hash=item27d51c5a4e

I thought with 50s wiring there was no need for a treble bleed?
For years i always fitted treble bleeds to my guitars,humbuckers or single coils but just recently i tried the 50s wiring and found i don't need them.

 

[hotzlaw]

Thanks, although I've just done a little bit more reading and I'm now wondering if perhaps I'd be better off trying 50's wiring before I buy the treble bleed caps/resistors.

My playing style is such that I am always using the volume controls to vary the amount of gain/distortion but I almost never use the tone controls.

How easy would it be to switch to 50's wiring/how easy is it to reverse if i don't like it? Is it just a case of un-soldering/re-soldering some connections?

It's impossible to tell from your photo, but there will be a wire coming from one of the lugs on the tone pot that is connected to one of the lugs on the volume pot - if it is modern wiring then this connection is to the outside lug of the volume pot, the same lug to which the pickup hot wire is soldered to (this pickup wire will come from the switch part of the tone pot in the phase reversed pickup).

To change this to 50s wiring, you need to take the wire that comes from the lug of the tone pot and solder it to the middle lug of the volume pot - this is normally the same lug to which the switch is soldered to.

That's all you need to do.

 

[MATTM]

Forget the treble bleed and just wire it 50's style as already mentioned....