To HM or not to HM?!

[rykus]

Honestly HM's are a means to an end. If you would like to get out of flipping historic's at a loss always buying for the newest features, yet receiving down graded specs as well as #'s go through the roof and wood supplies are exhausted. It got old quick for me, and I found great guitars from all points of production.

After owning 10+ historic's I had a pretty good idea of the specs I wanted in a guitar weight,neck size and flame. I just bought the guitar that fit those specs and shipped it down. Was cool getting to choose every spec which extended the part of buying that seems to be addictive shopaholic mentality side of being a guitar player... Got it back and it was great, as it should have been for the $, amount of time and effort, and parts combined would lead one to believe it would be. Still about par with my '69 Custom, and my crazy good '01 R9. Around the same time I bought a replica and it too is in that range but is a heavier darker guitar than my other top 3...

Bottom line for me is 1 don't send in your #1 if your unsure or its your first HM. Don't send in a special model or rare or valuable historic and think it will raise resale as it will do the opposite and lastly don't send in a historic that isn't 100% the guitar you want because you will sell it eventually because of this.

Basic stuff really

 

[Falconbill]

He said his plan was to keep the guitar forever, so he took the plunge and had it redone exactly how he wanted - what was, in his mind, as close to an actual Burst as he could get. I don't fault him for it, especially if he didn't care about resale (something many owners, myself included, seem to have a bit of a hang-up about) and just wanted every aspect of his "dream guitar." But the problem is, he then needed (or wanted, whatever) to flip it more or less immediately, and that whole mindset came back to haunt him. So maybe "not caring about resale" isn't realistic to begin with.

So the original owner paid $10.5K for an aged Skinner from Wildwood and another $4K for the makeover and sold it for $6.5K. Next lucky owner restores it back to the aged Skinner finish and ends up with a guitar for $2K less than the original cost from Wildwood and gets a Brazilian board and more accurate top carve out of the deal. Wow.

There's a good lesson to be learned here. If you're doing something and "not caring about resale", you're probably making a costly mistake.

 

[Sct13]

Yes, and no. It is being restored to the aged dirty lemon finish it originally had. But Kim and his guys are not going to plop the Gibson "goo" on it and cut it up with a razor blade, or do a pencil drawing of the Atlantic coast on the back and "age" inside the line like a coloring book. So it's never going to look like it did pre-makeover. SKNRBRST 086 will be an aged Skinnerburst, but will likely be unique, one-of-a-kind even. I can't imagine any of the other 149 owners being crazy enough to put theirs through something like this, though I guess it's possible.

The nitro is the biggest benefit.

I have one over there right now as well....it had Gibson Goo on it as well.

 

[Duane_the_tub]

So the original owner paid $10.5K for an aged Skinner from Wildwood and another $4K for the makeover and sold it for $6.5K. Next lucky owner restores it back to the aged Skinner finish and ends up with a guitar for $2K less than the original cost from Wildwood and gets a Brazilian board and more accurate top carve out of the deal. Wow.

I paid less than that for it.

 

[Deus Vult]

Originally Posted by Actinic View Post
"Ima gonna tell ya what I would do. First thing, find a guitar with really great tone. You might have to audition a hundred to find the right one. HM this? NO FRIGGIN' WAY.

For all the other guitars in your life, pick one which can use the makeover. I know some guys get a woody with a purdy geetar. Send that one to Kim. Put it in a glass case to impress your friends."

"The tone monster is for your ears, and the HM is for your eyes. Understand this dichotomy, and you will have mastered the secret to happiness."




"have you ever played a guitar that has had a makeover?"





Clearly he hasn't

I cannot overstate enough, the difference between a H.M or D.J finish compared to a Gibson finish, particularly from certain years like 2004 to 2006
Gibson= rubbery ,sticky and plastic feeling rubbish.
H.M or D.J much much closer to vintage finish, but not quite as good imo

Depends of course if this is important to you, it is to me.

And yes i do have a F......H.M and a vintage Gibson, just in case any killjoys question my credentials.

I'm also..F...... tiring of the long list of punters on this forum who have rigid negative opinions and noise about either vintage or makeovers, who have NEVER had either one in their hands.

You know who you are , so P... off.

Show us on the doll where the naysayer touched you

 

[Sct13]

 

[sonsofthedesert]

"Show us on the doll where the naysayer touched you"


Talk about the usual suspects.

I just new YOU would fall for it

Now seriously, Vintage L.P or Makeover in your hands, no?

 

[Deus Vult]

"Show us on the doll where the naysayer touched you"


Talk about the usual suspects.

I just new YOU would fall for it

Now seriously, Vintage L.P or Makeover in your hands, no?

c'mon on now, just admit it- you got bested. I know it's hard when people might question or disagree with your firmly held, confirmation biased opinions but it will be ok.

 

[sonsofthedesert]

c'mon on now, just admit it- you got bested. I know it's hard when people might question or disagree with your firmly held, confirmation biased opinions but it will be ok.

More purile thread sapping schoolboy antics, i'm not surprised

I won't indulge myself in trying to look immature as well.


Your the sufferer of confirmation bias, you just proved it.... and ***** envy most likely- not me

I COULDN"T care less what anyone thinks about vintage guitars/makeovers unless they have played one, express yourself freely , that's what the forum is for.

But it's the same as a bankrupt giving financial planning advice if you DON'T KNOW what your talking about.

 

[KenG]

IMO if you're a fan of the "aged" guitar look and feel then from what I've seen Hm or alternative pro work is an art form and will give you that.
The Braz board is interesting as it'll likely change your guitar's tone but whether it's "better" tone or not is subjective although it's certainly true it's rarer these days and due to the market worth more money.
As for sound and playing feel, well again that's subjective. Whether people who have spent the major $$ on the work can be objective is also somewhat subjective in this regard.
In the end if you want a guitar well aged by people who can do it in a professional manner and are comfortable spending the $$ the choice is yours. It is your guitar after all. I would not pay extra for a used guitar with this treatment simply because I don't care for artificial aging but I'm sure there are many more who would if resale is a consideration.

 

[JoeP]

I'll post some pictures of my LP that Kim and the guys fixed. Gibson completely screwed up the neck joint. The guitar played great but just had this weird thing where it would sing one minute and be dead the next. After I got this back, i've set it side by side with some of my buddies vintage guitars and this guitar actually sounds and sustains just as good, if not better. So, there are things Kim and Co. do to fix them right. And they do damn good work...

Here's a picture of the Gibson neck joint, for all you guys who think Gibson's work is ''the best"... Love my Gibson guitars, but hate Gibson the Co....They do crappy work, for premium prices..

Here's also a picture of the ''shims" they used to make sure it got used.

And this is on a R8 Historic.

They will be right when Kim and HM gets done with them.

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[Great_Axe]

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There's space enough for a bus to drive through that crack.

 

[Duane_the_tub]

^ WOW. That is just awful. So glad this was discovered and fixed, rather than just another problematic guitar getting passed along from one unsuspecting buyer to the next.

 

[Falconbill]

^ WOW. That is just awful. So glad this was discovered and fixed, rather than just another problematic guitar getting passed along from one unsuspecting buyer to the next.

Typically, that would just get passed along as a dog from buyer to buyer. That's the kind of workmanship you'd expect out of a 3rd world sweat shop. Good rescue job by JoeP.

 

[Steven]

I would leave it as is.

 

[NotScott]

I would leave it as is.

You do know this is a 7 year old thread, right?

 

[Steven]

You do know this is a 7 year old thread, right?

WAS a 7 year old thread

 

[Eugen_Onegin]

Digging up cold case forum files

 

[Freddy G]

Come to think about it... HM is really like getting a boob job for your girlfriend or wife... You can't get a refund if you don't like the new boobs, however, you can pay to have them redone...

Don't forget the most important analogy between the boob job and the guitar job. It's fun to play with them when they return.

 

[NINFNM]

The subject guitar:

Gorgeous guitar you had there. Maybe you already did, but I would not touch it. Better to silence the goblins in your head