The woes of a fast food worker

[geochem1st]

I think Judge Smells summed it up with...the world needs ditch diggers.

Well paid ones. If you are going to break your back, you better be compensated for it.

 

[vulture]

Enough with the graphs, facts are stupid

Really, facts....are......stupid?

What do you base conclusions on?

 

[geochem1st]

So, gov't already gets to mandate a wage floor and now you'd like them to mandate a profit ceiling? Serious questions...

1) From where does the gov't derive such authority?
2) Are the private property rights of the franchisees and corporate stakeholders secondary to the wishes of the workers?
3) What do you imagine would happen if the gov't was able to control these two parts of the cost chain?
4) What is a livable wage and who decides what it is?
5) Would you rather gov't have the power or the people have the freedom to choose their occupations, places to live, aspire to their own dreams, etc?
6) Do you see any problem with granting gov't such power?

All happened during WWII. Gov't froze prices and controlled resource allocations, from all sides of the supply/demand train. We survived. It was our greatest generation that did this.

 

[poncho]

All these facts are hurting my head

 

[KSG_Standard]

All happened during WWII. Gov't froze prices and controlled resource allocations, from all sides of the supply/demand train. We survived. It was our greatest generation that did this.

Same crew put US citizens in concentration camps and took away all of their private property with no due process or habeus corpus. We survived that too...whether we'd survive your ideas in practice or not, isn't the question.

 

[poncho]

We'll find out, huh?

 

[KSG_Standard]

We'll find out, huh?

I doubt we'll have to. Unless the Stepen Lerners and the other commies win the argument.

 

[poncho]

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cheers

 

[River]

I doubt we'll have to. Unless the Stepen Lerners and the other commies win the argument.

You're your own worst enemy, rhetorically.

I could want to agree with you, and still wouldn't do it. Because you'd insult your own mother if she disagreed with you.

 

[Scooter2112]

All happened during WWII. Gov't froze prices and controlled resource allocations, from all sides of the supply/demand train. We survived. It was our greatest generation that did this.

Except the rest of the developed world was rubble at the time.

Apples and oranges. Doesn't apply today. We weren't losing service jobs to India at the time.

 

[geochem1st]

Same crew put US citizens in concentration camps and took away all of their private property with no due process or habeus corpus. We survived that too...whether we'd survive your ideas in practice or not, isn't the question.

We'll find out, huh?

I doubt we'll have to. Unless the Stepen Lerners and the other commies win the argument.

 

[KSG_Standard]

All due respect river...I chose my words carefully. I've done my due diligence on Mr. Lerner and his pals. Bless your heart, you should too.

 

[geochem1st]

Except the rest of the developed world was rubble at the time.

Apples and oranges. Doesn't apply today. We weren't losing service jobs to India at the time.

No.... it wasn't. The rest of the world was a rubble AFTER the war. We initiated government control of industry in '42.

Correct, we weren't losing service jobs to India. We were smart enough to not fall prey to the globalists and free traders.

 

[River]

All due respect river...

Bullshit phrase of our time. It means: "I'd show you some respect if I thought you were due it, but I don't, so you're a dipshit and I'm not."

Don't patronize me, KSG.

Take your "due respect" and file it in the "I think you're a stupid, treasonous, piece of shit" locker.

We all know that's what you mean. So just say it.

 

[KSG_Standard]

I chose those words carefully too river.

 

[River]

I chose those words carefully too river.

Which words? "With all due respect."?

They're insulting.

So, yeah, I bet you did.

You know I'm not stoopid, though it blows your skirt up to let your fan base believe that you think I am.

Ah, fvck it.

 

[geochem1st]

 

[KSG_Standard]

Which words? "With all due respect."?

They're insulting.

So, yeah, I bet you did.

You know I'm not stupid, though it blows your skirt up to let your fan base believe that you think I am.

Ah, fvck it.

 

[KSG_Standard]

Menard has offered a starting wage of $13 an hour at the Minot store, well above the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour, which prevails in Wisconsin. It's also the minimum wage in North Dakota, but most jobs there pay more. A listing for a pizza delivery driver in Minot was advertised Thursday at $15 to $20 per hour, plus a $250 signing bonus.

Need a job? Then North Dakota may be the place to go » Corpus Christi Caller-Times

Looks like North Dakota is the place to be...if you want to make big bucks in a low skill job.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

"I find people who whine about their situation instead of working to improve it revolting. I also find people who support those people revolting."


Striking is not whining, it's actually the opposite. It is working to improve it.

If anybody is bored, here's an interesting article

McJobs Should Pay, Too: Inside Fast-Food Workers' Historic Protest For Living Wages - Sarah Jaffe - The Atlantic


Here's a choice bit if you don't feel like reading thru the whole thing


"Wages in the fast-food industry have stayed low for two basic reasons. First, many are low-skill service jobs in an efficient assembly where workers are easily replaced and don't require much education. Second, there is a large supply of people who are willing to make cheap burgers at a low wage. It is easy to look at this scenario and conclude, "well, economics determines prices and wages, and that's that." But the full story is more complicated. Cheap fast food and their cheap workers impose a cost on the country in the form of food stamps, welfare through the tax code, and social safety net programs. This is a place for government to intervene -- and for corporations to sacrifice some of their profits -- by raising wages to a livable level."



Also, the median age for a fast food employee is 28, and 66% are women

So, what do you make of these facts which you post? What are your own insights drawn from this data?

One problem is that somewhere, there have to be low paid workers... I don't like this fact, but what I mean, is that there's always going to be a few jobs out there that don't pay much... Those are the ones that people look to as examples when someone says "low wage job".

The alternative is saying that all jobs are equal, and paying them all the same, whether they be carriers of water and hewers of wood, or Presidents with their fingers on the button, right?

If someone argues that the President deserves high pay because his job in laden with responsibility, they tacitly admit that inequities in pay are justified by inequities in responsibility. If they argue that the president should be paid the same as a fry-cook, then then tacitly accept a lowering of standards.

If you don't reward competence, you cannot expect it to stick around.