The whole chambered VS solid body LP in a nutshell

[omni]

I laugh everytime some clown says a chambered LP is not a real LP.

Anyone that knows the history of the LP knows that Mr. LP attached hollow wings to the sides of 'The log" The point was to stop the pickups from vibrating..OK the chambered LPs have a solid piece of wood holding the pups in place through the center past the stop tail piece. So please if you want to get technical the solid bodies were a variation from the original design. So please stop with the asshat comments of what is " A real Les Paul" *Sighs*
If you want to argue about it look at the past. Yes, Gibson took his original design and marketed to their own variation. But the original design is what matters. Oh, and by the way I like em both.
*Sleepy*

 

[omni]

Wow, no arguments yet?

 

[GeeJay]

Well firstly it seems you're of the opinion that Les Paul designed the 'Les Paul'......

The log was not exactly a design IMO, more of an idea (that perhaps Leo Fender had already thought of??). As a guitar it kinda grew out of a collection of bits from the scrap bin. Also as the chambered sections were not structually part of the guitar, in my view and FWIW, it's debatable whether they made any kind of useful sonic contribution. Probably just made it handle a bit easier and look more like a conventional guitar.

Production Les Paul standards were solid bodied instruments from 1952-1960 and from reintroduction up to relatively recently when they started the swiss-cheese weight relieving. The even more recent move to fully chambered has to be seen as a something of a departure from what had become accepted practice.

As for tone, that is in ear of the listener.

Some people prefer epi's to historics. If you like the chambered Lesters, no problem. I like my swiss-cheese Lester and don't care if it's a proper guitar or not.

So, compared to the many solid bodied examples of the Les Paul Standard made over all those years of production, the swiss-cheese and chambered bodied Lesters are not 'proper'. Get over it.

 

[Deus Vult]

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[Tim Plains]

But the original design is what matters.

omni, good point...but I wanted a Gibson Les Paul, not a log.
Hey, there's an idea for a reissue. The Gibson Log....
$5,000

 

[VictorB]

omni, good point...but I wanted a Gibson Les Paul, not a log.
Hey, there's an idea for a reissue. The Gibson Log....
$5,000

They'll have to add "Termite Check" to the checklist card.

 

[Gunner]

They'll have to add "Termite Check" to the checklist card.

 

[drewbertca]

I think chambered, Swiss cheese, and solid Les Pauls are just variations on a theme......all are valid, real and proper guitars.......just different.....Imagine if everything was the same we'd have very boring music and every body would be playing identical solid colour Les pauls because nobody would want to see the variations of the grain.....and they would only be one colour....and there would only be one amp......I think the differences just allow for subtle variations in tone and allow creativity to shine through......oh and we'd all be playing the same kind of music with the same chord progressions because no one would be brave enough to try something new......

I think this argument is as bunk as the BFG debate.......variety is the spice of life and that's my 2 cents

 

[rideski]

I think chambered, Swiss cheese, and solid Les Pauls are just variations on a theme......all are valid, real and proper guitars.......just different.....Imagine if everything was the same we'd have very boring music and every body would be playing identical solid colour Les pauls because nobody would want to see the variations of the grain.....and they would only be one colour....and there would only be one amp......I think the differences just allow for subtle variations in tone and allow creativity to shine through......oh and we'd all be playing the same kind of music with the same chord progressions because no one would be brave enough to try something new......

I think this argument is as bunk as the BFG debate.......variety is the spice of life and that's my 2 cents

Agreed!! Well said.

 

[shotgunlew]

 

[Gunner]

I think chambered, Swiss cheese, and solid Les Pauls are just variations on a theme......all are valid, real and proper guitars.......just different.....Imagine if everything was the same we'd have very boring music and every body would be playing identical solid colour Les pauls because nobody would want to see the variations of the grain.....and they would only be one colour....and there would only be one amp......I think the differences just allow for subtle variations in tone and allow creativity to shine through......oh and we'd all be playing the same kind of music with the same chord progressions because no one would be brave enough to try something new......

I think this argument is as bunk as the BFG debate.......variety is the spice of life and that's my 2 cents

I think your comments sum it up nicely. I agree.

 

[mrpesca]

They'll have to add "Termite Check" to the checklist card.

Termites are another method of weight relief.

 

[shotgunlew]

SHH gibson might hear you and try to release that next!!!

 

[Tim Plains]

Termites are another method of weight relief.

So, what are you saying? That Gibson will have solid-bodied Logs and then weight-relieved Logs?
I guess after the termites have been at it for a while, the weight-relieved Log with inevitably become chambered and we're back to square one.

Man, these reissues haven't even hit the streets yet and there's already variations...

 

[axslinger]

I think they're all "valid" LPs. Just different. I've heard many say the Fadeds are some of the liveliest LPs they've ever played. Larry Corsa tested many LPs when deciding on which LP best captured the vintage PG sound and he settled on the Faded. He could have used any LP...

Personally, I think there can be as much tonal variation between same types (07' Standards) as between different types (07' Standard vs. 05' Standard). IMHO.

 

[omni]

Well firstly it seems you're of the opinion that Les Paul designed the 'Les Paul'......

So, compared to the many solid bodied examples of the Les Paul Standard made over all those years of production, the swiss-cheese and chambered bodied Lesters are not 'proper'. Get over it.

I simply said he attached some hollow wings to a 4x4.

If it's made by Gibson and says Les Paul on the headstock it's a Les Paul so you get over it. They are 'proper" and I'm out!

 

[RetropM]

Is a chambered LP still a LP? Sure, I think it is. But it is for the same reason you're wrong. The Les Paul was named after Les Paul but Gibson really designed it, not Les Paul. He actually had little impact beyond the coloration due to the fact that Gibson radically changed his ideas.And since Gibson made the Les Paul and they call a chambered Les Paul by the same name, then yes it is still a Les Paul.

 

[TheWellGoodShow]

They are all good.

 

[LPCollector]

As to those who say a chambered guitar is not historically correct........are those guy's forgetting that Les Paul chambered some guitars for Mary Ford?.....he said so himself in an interview....

The Cloud 9 series in particular, are awsome guitars.........just a different color to paint a musical picture with.

 

[drewbertca]

That is classic