The (un)Official Fake Gibson Thread

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Foreword: This totally ISN'T a copy of the Fake Epiphone Thread.:D

OK, so as many of us who have been here a while know, the Gibson Les Paul forum is constantly being clogged up with posts of fake Gibsons from eBay. If you do a search, which I did before creating this thread, there are 400+ threads reporting fakes.

Now as some of us know, the Epiphone Les Paul forum has this nifty little thread called The Fake Epiphone Thread II where all speculated fake guitars are posted for universal commenting, and evaluation by a specified board of identification experts. I thought that that was an incredibly useful thread, and I was suprised that the Gibson forum had nothing of the kind. So, I took the Initiative and created one HERE.

There are some differences, However. This thread is just a thread where if you find a fake posted for sale on the internet, you may post it here, rather than creating a new thread so that all members may ridicule its apparent fakeness. Also, Long Time Posters may comment on the guitars' authenticities (BTW, I'm not calling myself an expert. I'm inviting the experts here for evaluation), so if you know nothing about fake Gibsons,(much like myself)DO NOT CRY WOLF!!!!1!

Disclaimer: This is not a fake identification thread. If you want a fake identified, however, don't hesitate to ask. A SENIOR MEMBER who knows what they're talking about will [hopefully] answer you.

For anyone who doesn't know what a fake looks like, go HERE.

Also, some pics provided by Gibson for identifying fakes.

Example of a fake Gibson:
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TRC: Most fake Gibsons are made in China. Therefore, they usually copy chinese made Epiphones, and their characteristics. The three screw TRC is one of them. An authentic Gibson should only have a two screw TRC.
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Headstock Joint: This picture shows how the binding on the neck, the nut, and the binding of a headstock flow evenly with each other. It also shows the correct headstock angle.
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Headstock:
This photo compares an authentic Gibson headstock with a counterfeit headstock. Note the crooked logo, incorrect TRC, and straight edges.
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Pickup Cavities: Yet another trait of fakes copied from an Epiphone-pickup cavities painted black.
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Truss Rod: Fakes commony have an Epiphone-style truss rod, which is recessed below the nut or fretboard. An authentic Gibson should have a clearly visible truss rod.
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Control Pocket: Gibson control pockets will be neatly wired, with either Gibson branded pots, or CTS pots. They may also have a metal mounting plate, or in newer models, a "quick connect" PCB.
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OK, so now that we all know what a fake looks like, GET POSTIN' so we can laugh at some poorly made fakes!:thumb:

Note: I am not calling myself a fake expert, I just created this thread as a public service and a response to the constant flood of other Gibson fake threads popping up here.
 

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I did a write up on a fake that came into my possession not too long ago.

Here are the highlights.

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Notice they now use two-screw truss rod covers, so two screw covers do not mean a particular guitar is legit.
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Fake Gibson's scarf joint (not found on legit Gibson Les Pauls)

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Confirmed shot of the angled binding.

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Multi-piece body w/veneer on back.

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Clear knob shot.

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Here's the thread which has some more specific answers to certain questions.

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/gib...l-if-gibson-les-paul-fake.html?highlight=fake
 

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That's the plan. I still have the guitar, as it is on loan from a friend for the write up and I haven't sent it back. If anyone needs any specific shots, my wife got a new camera so it shouldn't be an issue.
 

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Actually, the plan was just to stop people from making a million threads a day regarding fake gibsons they found. Now we can mock them in one central location. :thumb:
 

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Actually, the plan was just to stop people from making a million threads a day regarding fake gibsons they found. Now we can mock them in one central location. :thumb:

Trust me, they won't use this. :thumb:
 

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Actually, the plan was just to stop people from making a million threads a day regarding fake gibsons they found. Now we can mock them in one central location. :thumb:

That only works if the thread gets stickied.
 

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Or, I can just come by and bump it a few times a day! :thumb:
 

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Hey guys, I'm entertaining the possibility of purchasing this guitar. It looks legit to me, but I'd like to run it past the experts around here.

1985 Gibson Les Paul Custom White MOJO MONSTER(619 - eBay (item 200423060972 end time Jan-29-10 06:33:55 PST)

Additionally, is 1985 a decent year? That would put it in the Norlin years, correct? They seem to get a mixed review around here, is it because of the swiss cheese holes? Also, is the asking price a decent price, or should I wait? Thanks a bunch!

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Sorry, gatecrasher, I didn't get to check it out. The eBay listing was removed. And yes, a 1985 Paul would be a Norlin. I personally don't have any experience with them, but from what I've heard, people have mixed feelings about the Norlins. Thanks for posting tho! :thumb:
 

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Sorry, I screwed up on the link, here is the actual listing:
1985 Gibson Les Paul Custom White MOJO MONSTER(619 - eBay (item 200423060972 end time Jan-29-10 06:33:55 PST)

(cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200423060972)

Very strange, the BB code is messing my link up. Do a search for item # 200423060972

Here's the listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...0&_trksid=m38&_nkw=200423060972&_fvi=1&_rdc=1.

That guitar is real. It also looks like a reputable seller. :thumb:
 

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Thanks Shifty, I thought the same. He seems to cover all his bases with info about the guitar, good photos, and great feedback. Btw, it looks like your url got butchered too.

Now do you all think that is a fair price for an 85 custom?

Thanks,
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Yep, its real, "chainsaw" style case and all. As for the price, given the condition of the instrument, is just a little high.
 

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Yep, its real, "chainsaw" style case and all. As for the price, given the condition of the instrument, is just a little high.

Thanks for the input. Once i add the shipping costs to it (from Japan to here in the US), it makes it even harder to swallow. I think I'll pass and see if I can find a better deal.
 

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