The right to vote...

[LocoTex]

The argument that voter ID is a racist plot to keep the poor and people of color from voting is a crock. It's propagated by the same people that call everyone they disagree with a fascist. We need to use our brain folks, not just listen and agree with others. That thing is inside your skull for a reason.

 

[Brians Evil Twin]

What We Know About Voter ID Laws

Estimating the effects of measures is a tricky business.

fivethirtyeight.com

It’s certainly not a consensus, but the weight of recent research suggests that even if voter ID laws have limited effects on which party wins specific elections, they still affect tens of thousands of voters in larger states, particularly black, Latino, Democratic and elderly voters. And importantly, these laws’ long-term impacts may well differ from their immediate effects upon implementation. So as politicians, lawyers and social scientists continue to debate these laws, the very effects themselves are likely to change beneath our feet.

 

[defcrew]

The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count them do--Joe Stalin

 

[Brians Evil Twin]

The argument that voter ID is a racist plot to keep the poor and people of color from voting is a crock. It's propagated by the same people that call everyone they disagree with a fascist. We need to use our brain folks, not just listen and agree with others. That thing is inside your skull for a reason.

Yup, and I use mine to resist media-fueled fear and loathing and the resultant low-effort thinking.

 

[JTM45]

I’m pretty neutral on it and don’t really care either way, there was a time where if you were a criminal you lost every right you had when incarcerated, now you get 3 squares, cable tv, AC, and an education.

Let the punishment fit the crime

 

[MSB]

LOL, i feel better about my age when asked to show my "media fueled fear."

Its too early for popcorn, but i hope this keeps going by tonight.

 

[pnuggett]

Do politicians really want a vote from a rapist? I know I wouldn't.

Are you kidding? You obviously are not a politician.

 

[Stevie 202]

Tytler nailed it IMHO.

I don’t hold out much hope anyway....

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.”

Alexander Fraser Tytler

 

[pnuggett]

 

[Kamen_Kaiju]

Do politicians really want a vote from a rapist? I know I wouldn't.

Politicians would take a vote from the person that raped their Mother, ..they're politicians.


Alive? Dead? Illegal Alien? Rapist? They really don't seem to care who votes for them.

 

[Bill Hicklin]

Back in the *good old days* you have to be a land owner to vote.

That's a myth. Widely circulated, but a myth.

The rule 200 years ago was that you had to be a taxpayer. It happened that the principal form of tax at the time was the real-property tax - there were no income taxes - but generally almost any person who wasn't a servant or itinerant laborer was paying taxes on something, whether livestock, glass windows, wheels, or liquor production.

And there was logic in that: only those who contributed to the pot should have a say in what was done with it.


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On the OT: no. Felons have placed themselves outside society. The move these days to grant them the vote is cynical politics- one side wants as many parasites as possible at the polls.l

 

[Stevie 202]

I have lost all faith in the American voting system. Which means, I believe that every single government in this world is occupied by fraudsters. Who cares who votes?

Canada too AFAIC

Do politicians really want a vote from a rapist? I know I wouldn't.

Are you kidding? You obviously are not a politician.

They’d take the votes of Satan and every demon in hell if it would get them elected.

It would appear to me that moral sensible people never seem to run for office.
Sad...

 

[NRBQ]

If they have multiple personalities when they're released do they all get to vote?

 

[Brians Evil Twin]

If they have multiple personalities when they're released do they all get to vote?

No! I mean yes!

 

[pnuggett]

If they have multiple personalities when they're released do they all get to vote?

 

[Bill Hicklin]

But in practice, it prevents the poor, elderly and disabled people (who may not have driver's licenses) from voting. And that's not lost on folks who would rather those folks not vote.

Now if you want to bring up "actual practice"-- there has never been a recorded case, anywhere in the nation, of a voter-ID law preventing a legitimate voter from voting. That rhetoric is scaremongering.

As to cases of voter fraud- that's because it is almost impossible to prosecute. It's easy enough for an audit to show that it has occurred, but there's almost never a way to discover who it was that voted under the name of the late Mrs. Blaszkowitz, or of Clark Kent, or as one of 58 residents of a vacant lot. Rather like burglary: no question that it happened, almost never solvable. Yet time and time again, from around the nation, we get absolutely impossible returns, such as more votes cast in a precinct than there are adult citizens.

 

[Bill Hicklin]

You've paid your debt, you get another chance to enter society.
Otherwise we might just as well say "once guilty, always guilty", hang every first-time offender and save ourselves the tax money we pay towards the custodial budget.

Who says the whole debt is paid?

 

[SWeAT hOg]

Canada too AFAIC

Doug Ford got elected fairly. However, the party was sleazy in it's treatment of Patrick Brown, IMO.

 

[LP121]

And yet, it doesn't happen with any measurable significance.

What does happen is poor folks don't get to vote.

Highly unconstitutional IMO...

Not true. Penndot announced at the time that they would give out free photo ID cards to anyone who couldn't afford it.
Still got struck down.

Wanna know why ID laws get struck down?
So illegals and the dead can vote. No one's the wiser.

 

[TheX]

Oh please! I have to call B.S. on this one.

Agreed, having an ID is EASY! If a person can get out to vote, they have access to an ID. They need one to cash their checks, and to have a bank account.