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Gents - Forgive the somewhat newbie question (search hasn't helped). Trying to understand the "R" designator e.g., R2, R8, R9, etc., and their differences. Not exactly a newbie to the Lester as I have several Norlin's and a couple post Norlin era Lesters. I'd like to round out my modest collection with a nice faded lemon or honey burst. BOTB has some incredible examples of nice faded lemon bursts.

Guess I've lived under a rock when it comes to the historics or historically accurate reissues. Is there a good site out there that lays in out (the "R" designator)? And, is it as easy as ordering from a Gibson dealer (not my preferred route)? Asking these basic questions as I'd like to take the plunge and get myself that one special guitar. Thanks all.
 

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The "R" designation is very simple, "R" before the number of the year being reissued.
R2= 1952 reissue
R4= 1954 reissue
R5= 1955 reissue
R6= 1956 reissue
R7= 1957 reissue
R8= 1958 reissue
R9= 1959 reissue
R0= 1960 reissue

Aloha!
 

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Gents - Forgive the somewhat newbie question (search hasn't helped). Trying to understand the "R" designator e.g., R2, R8, R9, etc., and their differences. Not exactly a newbie to the Lester as I have several Norlin's and a couple post Norlin era Lesters. I'd like to round out my modest collection with a nice faded lemon or honey burst. BOTB has some incredible examples of nice faded lemon bursts.

Guess I've lived under a rock when it comes to the historics or historically accurate reissues. Is there a good site out there that lays in out (the "R" designator)? And, is it as easy as ordering from a Gibson dealer (not my preferred route)? Asking these basic questions as I'd like to take the plunge and get myself that one special guitar. Thanks all.

Would love to help but aside from what LP collector has already said....

I don't understand your question.

However, there are three places in which to point you.

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/historics-reissues/86299-historic-changes-93-07-a.html

And

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/gibson-les-pauls/69767-before-you-buy-your-1st-les-paul-read-me.html

And

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/gibson-les-pauls/50210-gibson-les-paul-101-a.html

Not in this particular order. You decide what you need.

If this is not what you wanted please clarify.....:thumb:
 

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An R2, is a 1952 Reissue. (Goldtop, P90's, Trapeze Stoptail)
An R4, is a 1954 Reissue. (Goldtop, P90's, Wrap Stoptail, No Bridge)
An R6, is a 1956 Reissue. (Goldtop, P90's, Wrap Stoptail, ABR-1 Bridge)
An R7, is a 1957 Reissue. (Goldtop, Humbuckers, Wrap Stoptail, ABR-1 Bridge)
An R8, is a 1958 Reissue. (PlainTop, Humbuckers, Wrap Stoptail, ABR-1 Bridge)
An R9, is a 1959 Reissue. (FiguredTop, Humbuckers, Wrap Stoptail, ABR-1 Bridge)
An R0, is a 1960 Reissue. (FiguredTop, Humbuckers, Wrap Stoptail, ABR-1 Bridge, Thin Neck)

The original Les Paul Model, as a single cut, was produced from 1952 to 1960,
then the model was discontinued.










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An R2, is a 1952 Reissue. (Goldtop, P90's, Trapeze Stoptail)
An R4, is a 1954 Reissue. (Goldtop, P90's, Wrap Stoptail, No Bridge)
An R6, is a 1956 Reissue. (Goldtop, P90's, Wrap Stoptail, ABR-1 Bridge)
An R7, is a 1957 Reissue. (Goldtop, Humbuckers, Wrap Stoptail, ABR-1 Bridge)
An R8, is a 1958 Reissue. (PlainTop, Humbuckers, Wrap Stoptail, ABR-1 Bridge)
An R9, is a 1959 Reissue. (FiguredTop, Humbuckers, Wrap Stoptail, ABR-1 Bridge)
An R0, is a 1960 Reissue. (FiguredTop, Humbuckers, Wrap Stoptail, ABR-1 Bridge, Thin Neck)

The original Les Paul Model, as a single cut, was produced from 1952 to 1960,
then the model was discontinued.










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Was 1955 a transitional year?:hmm:
 

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1954 Gibson Les Paul goldtop model guitar specs: Neck set increased from 3 degree to 4 degrees to give additional wrap tail movement adjustment. This allowed for greatly downward adjustment of the stopbar bridge (1953 Les Pauls with wrap stop tails often are down all the way to the guitar's top to achieve good string playing action). Note there were a handful of 1954 Goldtops made with the serial number starting with "7". This is confusing as the "7" would otherwise mean 1957 (and a 1957 Goldtop would have a Tunematic bridge). This was no doubt a mistake by Gibson, and the pot source/code can be checked to verify the correct year. I would estimate less than ten of these 1954 Goldtops with a 1957 serial number exist.


1955 Gibson Les Paul goldtop model guitar specs: Wrap around tailpiece and accompanying studs changed slightly. The "ears" of the tailpiece changed in thickness from 3/16" to 1/4". The accompanying studs had to change also so the new tailpiece would fit the studs. This increase in ear thickness stopped the ears from cracking at the intonation adjustment screw, which was common on the thinner 3/16" thick ear tailpieces. Pickup spacing chnaged from 3 1/8" to 3"; this moved the bridge pickup towards the neck just a bit, putting more wood in front of the wrap-around bridge studs (because some models had problems with the wood cracking in front of the treble stud). By fall 1955 the Les Paul Standard changed from the wrap-around tailpiece to a ABR-1 tunematic bridge and stop tailpiece. See here for details on this change.
 

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1955 was a transitional year, and there are some R5’s, but
these are mostly special runs made for a specific dealer.
The only R5 that offered something different from the other
models was the R5 Conversion, which offered an off-center
seam on the Maple Top.








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1955 was a transitional year, and there are some R5’s, but
these are mostly special runs made for a specific dealer.
The only R5 that offered something different from the other
models was the R5 Conversion, which offered an off-center
seam on the Maple Top.








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Nothing different in the neck carve?
 

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Sp those off center tops were a "reality" ?

thats a great Web page CR ! :applause:
 

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The “Soft V” neck carve? Since the neck sanding is one of the
few hand operations still performed in the Custom Shop, and
the feel of the neck varies so much from guitar to guitar. I
suppose that if you had a few different R5 guitars to choose from,
you could find one that is more to your liking than the others.
That could be said for all the Historic Reissues, and all the years.
I don’t believe (just a personal opinion) that the neck carve is
something specific to the R5, as compared to an R9, but this is
from a viewpoint of never having held one. If I was to actually feel
it, I might very well change my mind, but even so I have felt R8’s
that were bigger than baseball bats, and R8’s that were smaller
than my R0, from the same year. So I think it has more to do with
a specific guitar.
Also, I have to mention that the R5 Conversion was supposed to
have the feel of an ’59 Conversion, which would have had the
neck shaved. I did say that the R5 Conversion was a real departure
from the other Models in the Historic Reissue Series.








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Sp those off center tops were a "reality" ?


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And “Filtch Matched” !
They really are awesome.





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Wow I know they reissued a 1955....
 

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