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How much should Gibson guitars sell for? I don’t think they are overpriced. Compare them to other American brands and they are similar if not cheaper. Set neck, binding, nitro, etc.. all take skill and time to do.
 

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Less significant than whether he plays is the fact he collects vintage Gibsons. That gives him a link to tradition and what made the old ones good.
 

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How much should Gibson guitars sell for? I don’t think they are overpriced. Compare them to other American brands and they are similar if not cheaper. Set neck, binding, nitro, etc.. all take skill and time to do.

Uh, not really. Fenders sell for little more than half. Binding and set necks are not all that hard or time consuming, and probably add less than 50 bucks to production costs per unit.

Nitro is a crappy legacy finish that should be relegated to THs.
 

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I'm interested to know what you guys perceive as Gibson's failings under the previous management. Given Curleigh's experience at marketing, do you think he's the right guy to fix said problems?
 

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The Les Paul and the SG have been in production about the same number of years. The LP went on hiatus, the SG body shape, starting with the '61 "Les Paul" has never been out of production. Gibson themselves said the SG Standard was the best selling Gibson of all time (in 2009) and this article restates that in 2017:

https://www.musicradar.com/news/historic-hardware-the-story-of-the-gibson-sg

I used to think a white SG Custom was the shit, but I've never owned an SG.
 

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I'm interested to know what you guys perceive as Gibson's failings under the previous management. Given Curleigh's experience at marketing, do you think he's the right guy to fix said problems?
It's well known as to why they failed.....Henry ventured into buying too many already failed companies and didn't concentrate on guitars.

As for the new guy.....we will see.
 

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Uh, not really. Fenders sell for little more than half. Binding and set necks are not all that hard or time consuming, and probably add less than 50 bucks to production costs per unit.

Nitro is a crappy legacy finish that should be relegated to THs.
Which Fender? Let’s compare apples to apples. Does Fender have a set neck carved top guitar?
 

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It depends on which area you are talking about. The fact that the overall current strategy is not working is rather obvious, hence the BK filing. The guitars have nothing to do with that. It is the buying of so many companies with other interests that got them into trouble.
Beg to differ. Spending a huge amount of money on things like the Zoot Suit SG, the Fireturd... the entire 2015 line.... These hurt the company as well. HJ spent HUGE $$$ on failed guitar-related projects. And millions got dumped into Orange, Kramer, Oberhiem, the Gibson Cafe, Trace Elliot to name but a few. AND trying to buy Samick, which was a disaster. THESE were the beginnings of the fall because it caused HJ to leverage buildings and property, selling valuable assets to fund the stupidity.

But yes, coupled with all of that non-guitar stuff. Stupid.
 
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Beg to differ. Spending a huge amount of money on things like the Zoot Suit SG, the Fireturd... the entire 2015 line.... These hurt the company as well. HJ spent HUGE $$$ on failed guitar-related projects. And millions got dumped into Orange, Kramer, Oberhiem, the Gibson Cafe, Trace Elliot to name but a few. AND trying to buy Samick, which was a disaster. THESE were the beginnings of the fall because it caused HJ to leverage buildings and property, selling valuable assets to fund the stupidity.

But yes, coupled with all of that non-guitar stuff. Stupid.
But we’re the Zoot Suits bad guitars or just not big sellers? People may not have liked the specs on the 2015 but as an owner the build quality was fine and the ideas behind the hardware changes (zero fret, etc) were good. I won’t argue about the G-force, I like it but can see others hating it.
Yes the 2015’s were a sales fail but I can’t hate on HJ for the effort, maybe too much effort.
 

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Beg to differ. Spending a huge amount of money on things like the Zoot Suit SG, the Fireturd... the entire 2015 line.... These hurt the company as well. HJ spent HUGE $$$ on failed guitar-related projects. And millions got dumped into Orange, Kramer, Oberhiem, the Gibson Cafe, Trace Elliot to name but a few. AND trying to buy Samick, which was a disaster. THESE were the beginnings of the fall because it caused HJ to leverage buildings and property, selling valuable assets to fund the stupidity.

But yes, coupled with all of that non-guitar stuff. Stupid.
I don't have the numbers, but, it just seems that the Zoot Suit SG and robo tuners were a drop in the bucket compared to the other non guitar related ventures. Every drop counts, but.....
 

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I'm hoping Gibson just keeps making great guitars. They've put out some limited runs where I look at it and scratch my head, then there are others where they just nail it. I think it's cool that they experiment regardless of my tastes or personal preferences. For better or worse I hope keep that alive.

As far as pricing goes who knows what the margins are but i think they do just fine. looking at the LP custom lite which back in 2013 as an example... were selling for around the same price as studio with a hardcase the studios came with a gig bag. Or the new limited run LP traditionals currently available at long and mcquade that sell for only a few hundred more than a new studio....

Makes you wonder how much more effort and money goes into using a thicker body and binding....
 

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Perhaps it's foolishly optimistic to wish that the new CEO makes sure that the workers are treated well and fairly. Maybe working at a place not on a list of "the worst companies to work for in the USA" would give them incentive to do the best work they can do, and to take pride in what they make.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; what really makes people hate on Gibson flaws and shoddy workmanship is the knowledge that Gibson USA the ability to make great guitars every day of the week. They don't deliver with consistency and there's just no excuse for it. There may damn sure well be a reason for it, but no excuse for letting it happen.
 

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Can I be the reminder this time Owen!! Please, please!!! I'm the Shower Curtain Fella!


If you'll permit me, I think you're taking your "Senior Member" moniker too seriously. Start a "GO Fund Me" page for the basic membership and we'll gladly pay your way in here. I don't know about the others, but I find your comments fascinating!!!

Oh, one last thing, here is a clue to your online relationship troubles.

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Jeez, my comments must have really triggered you.

Who said anything about being a senior member? Certainly not I. I'm not interested in paying for companionship, thanks. It seems like it really artificially boosted your ego though.

Are you deliberately trying to prove my point or something? Because it beggars belief that somebody could be so wholly self-unaware.

I was talking Custom Shop, not Memphis produced guitars. You need not look any further than the ratio of Les Paul's (Reissues, Customs, Juniors, etc.) produced each year vs. SG's in that respect. Not to mention it isn't hard to figure out that there are many models of the "Les Paul", and they aren't basing "best selling" off of the combined Les Paul models, where you would count all Les Paul's from Custom's to Reissue's to Standards, Traditionals, etc., etc..

While the exact sales numbers are harder to pin down (but still very obvious), your "street price" quotes are not hard to dismiss at all. A simple search of Sweetwater's inventory, and boom.....BRAND NEW, $3299.00, and that's a list price. Since I had to call on an order I placed anyway, I asked Brent, my sales rep, about their best out the door price.....it was SOUTH of 3k, so....https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SGCustEBGH--gibson-custom-sg-custom-ebony.

That makes sense too, because here is a mint 2017 on the bay......SOLD for $2200 on bids. http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&toolid=10001&campid=5338014323&icep_item=223117828101

As for my "lighten up lucy" comment, that's a saying, not a personal insult. The guitar itself...play whatever ya like. Personal preference. I was simply pointing out that there are Custom Shop SG's readily available for well under what you are claiming the "street price" is. Sure, you can find them for more....Wildwood is always good for charging a few K extra for their smoke and mirror "specs". But rest easy, as I linked above, there are CS SG's out there for good prices.
Except that you never qualified your statements with "Custom Shop" and I never said anything about Memphis...

There are probably more Custom Shop limited editions of LP. That does not mean they sell more. And the SG also has a Custom, '61 Reissue, Standard, Special, Junior, etc, etc...

I will admit I mis-recalled the price on that 2-PU Custom. But as I stated, you are still downgrading to 490/498s and a Nashville compared to previous years. I think I was confusing that with the Standard Bohemian, which effectively replaced the Standard and goes for $4,200 Street. That actually has the features of the Standard that previously went for $3,000. Here's a pretty hard to find example of an old-spec Standard that is $4,500 and on sale for $3,800:

https://reverb.com/item/15714084-gibson-custom-1961-sg-standard-faded-cherry-vos

And we are not talking about used prices, we are talking about Gibson's prices, that is the whole point.

Yes, that is a saying, a derisive saying intended to insult. Don't be obtuse.
 

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Jeez, my comments must have really triggered you.

Who said anything about being a senior member? Certainly not I. I'm not interested in paying for companionship, thanks. It seems like it really artificially boosted your ego though.

Are you deliberately trying to prove my point or something? Because it beggars belief that somebody could be so wholly self-unaware.
Yup, Fascinating! :wave:


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They'll knot up on ye...
 

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How much should Gibson guitars sell for? I don’t think they are overpriced. Compare them to other American brands and they are similar if not cheaper. Set neck, binding, nitro, etc.. all take skill and time to do.
I confess to bitching most vociferously about the price of LPs and luthier work until I educated myself (mostly by youtube vids) about what goes into making and modifying/repairing a guitar. Most humble apologies.
 




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