The New Gibson CEO is...

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The reason I think the Standard (or, even mre so, the Trad) is the appropriste comparison is because that model is the equivalent of the Les Paul sold in 1958-60 for the *same price* give or take a few bucks as a Stratocaster. That isn't a knock on Studios, just reflecting the fact that they're budget models *compared to the original.*

People get out their inflation calulators and observe that in constant dollars a LP doesn't cost any more than it did then.... But by the same token a Strat only costs half what it did. Have the efficiencues of automation somehow benefited Fender twice as much? I sincerely doubt it. And since that time Gibson has moved to TN and no longer pays Michigan union wages, whereas Fender has California labor coststs.
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PS: anyone who thinks making a good bolt-on neck joint is kiddie stuff has never made one
That's because tightening 4 screws still doesn't warrant a big payday.
 

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That's because tightening 4 screws still doesn't warrant a big payday.
Wow, you're like a dog with a bone

Cutting a body mortise and a neck tenon for a precise and aligned fit is exactly the same procedure, and precisely as difficult, whether your next step is picking up the drill or the glue pot.
 

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Is it true Levi's is for stricter gun control? I remember reading somewhere on it and that also had a photo of the leather brand patch with some propaganda on it.

Thats not cool he got political in his other company. Our USA is an armed republic and I resent any people trying to infringe the rights of Americans given to us by it's founding fathers.

Im highlighting this new Gibson CEO and his previous postion at the head of Levi Strauss, which is the newest "social justice warrior" company. Lets discuss this here please, where it is directly relevant.
 

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Is it true Levi's is for stricter gun control? I remember reading somewhere on it and that also had a photo of the leather brand patch with some propaganda on it.

Thats not cool he got political in his other company. Our USA is an armed republic and I resent any people trying to infringe the rights of Americans given to us by it's founding fathers.

Im highlighting this new Gibson CEO and his previous postion at the head of Levi Strauss, which is the newest "social justice warrior" company. Lets discuss this here please, where it is directly relevant.
Companies should stay out of US politics IMO, but so should The Backstage. There's no real way to discuss this one without discussing "Gun Control: Yes or No?", and if we go there the friggin' cake just disappears and nobody gets any.

Edit to add: I believe the statements/message in question originated from Chip Bergh, not James Curleigh. I'm not sure if their roles are/were/will be overlapping in any way there? I'm not familiar with their corporate structure at all.
 
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Companies should stay out of US politics IMO, but so should The Backstage. There's no real way to discuss this one without discussing "Gun Control: Yes or No?", and if we go there the friggin' cake just disappears and nobody gets any.
No lets just talk about facts and leave opinions on the backburner. Any company can do almost anything over here. Its important.

I hope, hope, this new Gibson CEO has nothing to do with Levi Strauss' anti-gun campaign. If that shit is tied to him in any way I wont be buying Gibson until he is removed. Without sharing any opinions on gun control I just want to bring to light a serious concern I have about this sites topic new CEO. Gibson guitars sporting any propaganda for their political views like Levi is doing will most likely "dead" the brand.
 

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No lets just talk about facts and leave opinions on the backburner. Any company can do almost anything over here. Its important.

I hope, hope, this new Gibson CEO has nothing to do with Levi Strauss' anti-gun campaign. If that shit is tied to him in any way I wont be buying Gibson until he is removed. Without sharing any opinions on gun control I just want to bring to light a serious concern I have about this sites topic new CEO. Gibson guitars sporting any propaganda for their political views like Levi is doing will most likely "dead" the brand.
Yeah, I don't see MLP leaving opinions out of such a topic.
 

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Edit to add: I believe the statements/message in question originated from Chip Bergh, not James Curleigh. I'm not sure if their roles are/were/will be overlapping in any way there? I'm not familiar with their corporate structure at all.
Okay this is true, this JC guy did NOT begin this concern for me. However JC was the global president of the company while "Chip Bergh" was the CEO since JC's start at the company. There was only a month between the publications of Levi Strauss going full retard and Gibson appointing JC as the CEO. Chip Bergh and James Curleigh were both so high up on the corporate ladder of the same company one can figure that they had discussions on the topic in private, since Bergh is this motivated to put the livelyhood of his global brand in jeopardy for US gun control. See in the USA money is the motivating factor, and in politics people who make influence through pay are lobbyists, the aim of which is controlling the overall direction of the USA and in turn-- world politics. The Levi Strauss brand most likely will die off but the CEO will remain paid for this drastic influence through possibly lobbyist connections. People all over the world have bought those American jeans, just like they buy these beautiful American guitars. If they both are corrupt it will show in time, lets hope that this JC guy is not trying to ease his way into our beloved Gibson only to become a political influence on the world. Tyranny will not be supported by patriots, we will see how this all plays out.
 

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No lets just talk about facts and leave opinions on the backburner. Any company can do almost anything over here. Its important.

I hope, hope, this new Gibson CEO has nothing to do with Levi Strauss' anti-gun campaign. If that shit is tied to him in any way I wont be buying Gibson until he is removed. Without sharing any opinions on gun control I just want to bring to light a serious concern I have about this sites topic new CEO. Gibson guitars sporting any propaganda for their political views like Levi is doing will most likely "dead" the brand.
so you're determined to get the thread closed. Got it. You're already leaning pretty hard on the political button with your previous post. Maybe let it go here and find a forum that doesn't have a "no politics" policy in place?
 

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Dude were talking about James Curleigh. Its directly tied to his LAST company. There were only months between press releases to tie his previous brands new mission statement and his newly aquired position as a CEO. This is big stuff about JC guy.
 

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Dude were talking about James Curleigh. Its directly tied to his LAST company. There were only months between press releases to tie his previous brands new mission statement and his newly aquired position as a CEO. This is big stuff about JC guy.
It's not "big stuff about JC guy", it's your personal politica viewpoint on what you perceive as his personal political viewpoints. It has nothing to do with guitars.

I see you're pretty new here, so you may not be aware of how political discussions go around here. It starts out with a few polite exchanges, a couple of posters having a civil conversation, then someone (probably not involved at all in the civil exchanges) reads the posts and gets all excited and posts up some gobbledy gook about whatever and it's off to the races. Lt. Dave sees the thread, posts a friendly warning in green, all but a couple guys see said warning and bow out of the conversation, the last couple guys continue trying to get the last word. Lt. Dave sees the thread again and closes the thread and hands out a couple of passes to a weekend at band camp. If a less easy-going mod sees the thread before the nice Lt., a nuke is dropped from orbit and the vacations are for much longer than a weekend pass.

This is me giving friendly advice. You may think that it should be possible to have a convo re: political items but it's not going to end well. If you insist on taking it political, things will happen. Seriously, this is friendly advice. Really. Just don't push the political button.
 
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I think we can safely say we understand your concerns, @Jewel the Sapphire . While plenty relevant to the topic, threads that end up circling around the gun control topic don't last long here. It's nothing personal and you aren't alone in your feelings, but this (MLP) just isn't the place for it is all.


Ever notice we have a stickied gun thread? It's hundreds of pages and covers just about all aspects of shooting, reloading, modifying, etc. One of the very few things the members who participate in that thread won't discuss is gun control. It just brings no benefit to that particular situation either, and thats a thread all about guns.
 

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Alright guys im backing out on my own here, glad to show yall the concern.

JC has serious corporate power. The quotes shared on this thread of him speaking on his intentions with Gibson and his previous intentions when he began work for Levi Strauss are all great things to say. I want Gibson to stay in the USA and perhaps bring back Kalamazoo Michigan for additional high end Epiphone manufacturing. Fingers crossed that James Curleigh has no hidden intention of following his peer Chip Bergh in regards to public relations with this great American brand we all know and love.

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I hope he does well but that dude could come and do what the Epi Pen dude did
 

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Is it true Levi's is for stricter gun control? I remember reading somewhere on it and that also had a photo of the leather brand patch with some propaganda on it.

Thats not cool he got political in his other company. Our USA is an armed republic and I resent any people trying to infringe the rights of Americans given to us by it's founding fathers.

Im highlighting this new Gibson CEO and his previous postion at the head of Levi Strauss, which is the newest "social justice warrior" company. Lets discuss this here please, where it is directly relevant.
Let's not and leave the gun BS out of it, ffs
 

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I hope he does well but that dude could come and do what the Epi Pen dude did
Some folks MUST have the Epi pen to stay alive.... Ain't no MUST for a Gib....

Big difference....
 

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As far as the gun/pol issues of the dude...He is in TN now, and will probably be introduced to the phrase 'go piss up a rope' by some folks up there if he gets to signifying on other than Gib topics... He'll find out that some in the country music biz ain't much impressed with folks with titles and shit... He'll find his way... and maybe learn a thing or two... Give him the chance to do what he does best.... Be interesting to watch this unfold....
 




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