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Any unpotted pups are microphonic to a degree. And I like that. I grew up with unpotted microphonic pickups and it took me awhile to get used to the tar backs and potted stuff when introduced...sounding wooly in comparison, to me anyway. Potted pups tend to negate a lot of the resonant properties picked up from othe rest of the system (body,hardware etc) which after all is the point. Bad design and build makes them impracticality microphonic,..as in cheap early MIJs like Teisco. They have their applications (Ry Cooder liked em for instance) but tend not to be versatile.

I have a t-top and a Shaw on my Custom. Perfect for me. Both unpotted. It's the sound for me. It's '60s and ''70s Rock tone.

The two unpotted Gibsons I have on that Corsair I mentioned. Extremely detailed, chimey, clean and crunchy. They do have an issue when really cranked though. So that's out of it's ballpark, metal and such. Scream, yes. But in a shrieks a la Mick Ronson way. Which happens to be one of my fav guitarists.

I also have potted pups on several guitars and like them in ways that are different than the others. I don't use a screwdriver if I need a hammer and that's how I see it. The guitar I use the most is a Washburn Idol with heavily potted Eliminator pickups, but with a Varitone tone control. Which changes the coil relationship on each pickup, varieing it from series to parellel. Rarely ever squeals, feeds back under control, but is nowhere near as airy and detailed as the unpotted pups. Honduran mahogany body and set neck. Has a BuzzFeiten nut, and a Roland GK2. 18:1 Grover gears, but it's really a "cheap" guitar relatively speaking that many guys on this forum would sneer at.

Oddly the DiMarzio Super Distortion isn't potted either. But can't say I've ever had much of a squeal problem with them...if ever. Maybe it's the tension and evenness of winding..couldn't be the ceramics vs alnicos I don't think.
My olde tyme Super D squealed like a piggie until I had Jeff from Highorder Pickups do a partial dip.
He just goes deep enough to secure the magnet and base and the lower third of the coil, preserving most of the charm of unpotted pickups but eliminating that squeal, which to me is like having scalding water poured into my ears.
 

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Goodness what a lot of posts since yesterday... :eek:

I've done the old Nashville trick of removing the poles from DiMarzios, and while it doesn't make it sound like a single-coil, it does indeed open the sound way up.
Interesting - didn't even know that was a thing.

A lot of it depends on context, though.
I once tried a strat with stock singles in the bridge and middle and an F-tron in the neck.
Compared to the treble-monster strat pups, that chimey 'bucker in the neck seemed like a mud bomb. If the owner had put that Ftron in the *bridge*, it would have really been amazing.
That makes sense.

That was the first (and, so far, only) time I heard a Vulcan, and I about shat a cinder block.
Is that the one they used to call Puff the Magic Dragon? Or am I muddling my rotary machineguns up?

The two unpotted Gibsons I have on that Corsair I mentioned. Extremely detailed, chimey, clean and crunchy.
I've got low wind PAF clones from OX4 in my LP and they are the biz. Just as you describe.

Oddly the DiMarzio Super Distortion isn't potted either. But can't say I've ever had much of a squeal problem with them...if ever. Maybe it's the tension and evenness of winding..couldn't be the ceramics vs alnicos I don't think.
Mark (OX4) does not pot and states that tension and generally high tolerances in construction are crucial to avoid squeal at volume. Which again makes perfect sense.

I sense the presence of a Thumpalumpacus.
Me too... perhaps a manifestation is coming... we must be ready...

Maybe that's what all the drone shit is about :eek:
 

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Goodness what a lot of posts since yesterday... :eek:



Interesting - didn't even know that was a thing.



That makes sense.



Is that the one they used to call Puff the Magic Dragon? Or am I muddling my rotary machineguns up?



I've got low wind PAF clones from OX4 in my LP and they are the biz. Just as you describe.



Mark (OX4) does not pot and states that tension and generally high tolerances in construction are crucial to avoid squeal at volume. Which again makes perfect sense.



Me too... perhaps a manifestation is coming... we must be ready...

Maybe that's what all the drone shit is about :eek:
Hi, Dom!
You are correct, sir:
"Puff" = Vulcan = chain gun
...and in 7.62 size they call it a minigun (all things being relative) or a "leaf blower."
 

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The last thing this thread needs is two reactionary innumerates instead of just the one.

Seriously.
Don't worry Dom you'll survive..The rabbit hole is a safe haven.
Ok Kellner's expert predictions didn't quite go according to plan but at least you've now got five or ten years to work on those demographics and figure out what went wrong...
Chin up old chap, drink more tea and remember that demography is not destiny.

When in doubt sing my boy.....There's always is a silver lining...:laugh2:

 
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Here's a fun GCSE maths question for you:

Country B has a population of 64.6 million and an electorate of 46.5 million. During a referendum, 72.2% of the electorate vote on an issue. 37% of the 72.2% who voted vote in favour. Is this a majority or a minority of the electorate?

For an extra two marks, what percentage of the population does this represent and is it a majority or a minority?

:naughty:
 

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G'day all.

Started the tenth day of 2020 with a boomer here in T-town. Don't know how much rain we got- enough that I will spend much of this day cleaning dog feet, but Northwind is expected early this after and the winter storm warning starts bout sundown. We are in the 4-6 inch snow belt.
Weather Fairies be saying windchill tomorrow morning will be 0 to -10. Will be wearing my flannels tonight.
Oh well. I am dog-sitting Kevin this weekend so there will be two buddies snuggled up to me.

Too early for math and doubt I could actually do it with a calculator, but my artilleryman sense of proportion gets your drift.

Money is to be made and money buys power, proliferates disinformation and convinces the easily misled that the only agency with a chance of shielding them from Money's interest is the greatest threat to their prosperity.
Amazing that aid to whomever and its attendant abuse is always the rallying cry of how wasteful government is, but since cutting those programs would also devastate large swathes of the faithful mostly just gut those agencies responsible for clean air, water, safe food, a safe workplace since they seem most likely to interfere with Money's interest.

On the subject of pickups I have never fiddled with what was on the guitar. The only choice I made was putting a set of matched Gibson 57 Classic Plus in the guitar dad and I built. I must admit that if I had money to burn I would swap the stock pickups in my Carvin for a set of Seymour Duncan P-Rails.

Thanks Sid and a souncloud from me.
https://soundcloud.com/cmh6122%2F01-it-was-in-my-eyes
Hope Ma smiles of us all.
 

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g mornings and afternoons


Oddly the DiMarzio Super Distortion isn't potted either. But can't say I've ever had much of a squeal problem with them...if ever. Maybe it's the tension and evenness of winding..couldn't be the ceramics vs alnicos I don't think.
My olde tyme Super D squealed like a piggie until I had Jeff from Highorder Pickups do a partial dip.

I think that it's pre '75 that they were unpotted . a favorite of Joan Jett __ but at the point that people were using hot glue and beeswax to " upgrade " the pickups . Dimarzio made the change

I was reading an interview with Steve Stevens a couple of weeks ago , about the ones that he had Bare Knuckle make for him . the company will make any of their picjkups ( upon special request ) unpotted . although there's a few in the collection that you probably wouldn't want that option with

I had a set of super sparkly Johnny Marr ( Jag ) pickups from them . can't imagine how bad those would sound without the wax :eek2:
 

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Right...

Key West, Republic of Chonkadoohaa, or whitever yi call it. Wee last bit of Florida. Succeeded from the States, declared war on the states & surrendered after strafing ... You think I make this shit up?

Watch it ya bastids.


 
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g mornings and afternoons






I think that it's pre '75 that they were unpotted . a favorite of Joan Jett __ but at the point that people were using hot glue and beeswax to " upgrade " the pickups . Dimarzio made the change

I was reading an interview with Steve Stevens a couple of weeks ago , about the ones that he had Bare Knuckle make for him . the company will make any of their picjkups ( upon special request ) unpotted . although there's a few in the collection that you probably wouldn't want that option with

I had a set of super sparkly Johnny Marr ( Jag ) pickups from them . can't imagine how bad those would sound without the wax :eek2:
Joan Jett? Blurgh!!:shock:

Steve Stevens...also a big fan of the Roland G-707. Probably the first person I saw using one on Flesh for Fantasy. Although I had read about them early on. Retail price for the whole system upon release? $10,000! I got mine about 2-3 years later when the price had dropped significantly because they weren't catching on. They weren't perceived as metal guitars.

If you're just recording it's not so much of a problem with SDs, although it is there. It's the higher and higher volume of larger and larger venues that prompted the home brew and manufacturer potting.
Lots of people were SD users, they were pretty endemic, even in some notable fusion players. Al Dimeola, Ace Frehley, a whole bunch of players.
I had a Sd-1 at the bridge and a patent sticker t-top in the neck of my Custom for a few years. It's pretty much the ideal hard rock combo for me. But later decided I preferred to have a decent PAF at the bridge because it goes back to earlier tones but I can still get there with hard rock stuff too.

T-top plus SD = the sound of a lot of early metal.

 
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