The Mad Hatter's Tea Party

ehb

Chief Discombobulator
Joined
Feb 20, 2013
Messages
32,388
Reaction score
142,684
I like Electro Harmonix stuff. I had a Micro Synthesizer in the late '70s early '80s that I liked a lot. It tracked very well and sounded good. The fuzz was gated so sounded a tad artificial but was very quiet. It had octave above and below capabilities as well as a mixer, triggered filter (we called it an envelope follower in those days) and sweep controls. I think they still make them. I would definitely recommend one of those.

With a delay pedal you can go apeshit. :dude:

EHX builds some good stuff.... I love the Soul Food pedal. (does same thing as a Klon) Hella cheaper than a Klon and does the same thing.... I'm not big on bullshit mystique...

EHX builds all kinds of cool beans pedals.... Ain't their first rodeo by a long shot....

Modeling is not new or tough anymore... Algorithm.... Think sampling (no Phil, no long boring explanation that nobody wants to read).... If you have a sample, and have a bucket of computer code that can analyze things such as multiple attack/releases, harmonic content vs. time, changes of any kind during sample, etc., then you can develop an algorithm to recreate the complex waveform. The dude at Bell way back mixed pure sine waves and recreated some complex waveforms.... Sounded fairly close to the real instruments... That was the tech behind the Yamaha DX7 that sold more units than any other instrument in history I believe.... That is waaaaaaaaaay old technology compared to today...

If I can glue white spots all over my body and go into a room with scanning lasers, and dance like and idiot (which is pretty much how I dance), the code boys running the server can tell the server to wrap the MOVING DOTS INFO on points on a Friggsley image and lo and behold, Friggsley is on the screen dancing like an idiot....

That is full lifelike vid... How hard would audio be? ;)


I read somewhere it took about 125hrs to render the first Pirates movie on the Diz server farm.....while they also ran all of Diz on the same farm... That was years ago....

Massive horsepower in a small chip available now.... Cheap...

Imagine what we'll be able to play with in a year or two....
 

Mindfrigg

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 27, 2010
Messages
59,729
Reaction score
327,189
EHX builds some good stuff.... I love the Soul Food pedal. (does same thing as a Klon) Hella cheaper than a Klon and does the same thing.... I'm not big on bullshit mystique...

EHX builds all kinds of cool beans pedals.... Ain't their first rodeo by a long shot....

Modeling is not new or tough anymore... Algorithm.... Think sampling (no Phil, no long boring explanation that nobody wants to read).... If you have a sample, and have a bucket of computer code that can analyze things such as multiple attack/releases, harmonic content vs. time, changes of any kind during sample, etc., then you can develop an algorithm to recreate the complex waveform. The dude at Bell way back mixed pure sine waves and recreated some complex waveforms.... Sounded fairly close to the real instruments... That was the tech behind the Yamaha DX7 that sold more units than any other instrument in history I believe.... That is waaaaaaaaaay old technology compared to today...

If I can glue white spots all over my body and go into a room with scanning lasers, and dance like and idiot (which is pretty much how I dance), the code boys running the server can tell the server to wrap the MOVING DOTS INFO on points on a Friggsley image and lo and behold, Friggsley is on the screen dancing like an idiot....

That is full lifelike vid... How hard would audio be? ;)


I read somewhere it took about 125hrs to render the first Pirates movie on the Diz server farm.....while they also ran all of Diz on the same farm... That was years ago....

Massive horsepower in a small chip available now.... Cheap...

Imagine what we'll be able to play with in a year or two....
A pedal company I miss is Dod. They had some good pedals that competed with Boss but didn't copy them. Their hair band distortions were very good. I fired up my RP-1 again just a month or so ago and I have to admit I'm able to get "those" sounds much easier than modeling. They're rich and have so much depth.
The RP-1 has several Dod analog distortions, overdrives,noise gate, chorus, 10 band EQ and stuff joined with a Digitech DSP 256 rack digital delay/ reverb/ modulation in one floor unit. Early '90s but still the shit.
 
Last edited:

BBD

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 16, 2017
Messages
4,821
Reaction score
25,946
The Synth9 is great fun... really might pick one up, especially if I see it second-hand... very little downside to that.

I actually liked the demo of the B9 Organ but probably wouldn't really use it. The Bass Machine was also really fun but again, not sure if / how I'd use it. Didn't really get with the upright bass emulation, nor the the chorus Jaco, but I can get that sound with an actual fretless and Helix. As a sometime bass player, I'm going to be too picky about tone to be an ideal customer for this one. Although the bowed bass / cello tone was cool :)

Tape Replay was another pleasant surprise... I could definitely have fun with this. As with other split amp options, it would play well with Helix using twin amp patches...

Surprisingly impressive Key 9 Electric Piyanna :laugh2: Much better than I expected. I will send you the invoices.

How EHX pulls this series of pedals off, I don't know..... Pretty damn cool for the prices...
Fair comment.
 

BBD

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 16, 2017
Messages
4,821
Reaction score
25,946
If you don't play keyboards at all it can be very satisfying. But it's hard to fool anybody.
I think these pedals are fun and it could work given some diligence on pedal settings and guitar technique and I have no problem with that. I expect amp / cab / mic / guitar effects modelling to work to 'fool anyone' standards these days, but I don't expect that from the EHX pedals, so it's okay... Quite an eye-opener for me, really.
 

BBD

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 16, 2017
Messages
4,821
Reaction score
25,946
Imagine what we'll be able to play with in a year or two....
I have a feeling that this is where the big beasts in the amp modelling world will be going next. They are getting very close to nailing amps, cabs, stomp boxes etc, so engulfing the EHX world with better tech is a logical feature set to pull in new customers for future products.
 

Mindfrigg

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 27, 2010
Messages
59,729
Reaction score
327,189
I think these pedals are fun and it could work given some diligence on pedal settings and guitar technique and I have no problem with that. I expect amp / cab / mic / guitar effects modelling to work to 'fool anyone' standards these days, but I don't expect that from the EHX pedals, so it's okay... Quite an eye-opener for me, really.
Even with MIDI guitar control it's tough to emulate two hand technique on a keyboard. Finger picking is a must. But melodically it's fine. And in a mix nobody will know, if you pay attention to your phrasing. It's all most effective if you're recording.

People don't seem to be as impressed as they should be when piano sounds spew from your guitar...But judging from the poll I referenced it's not too surprising they don't grasp or care what's going on. I get the same reaction from folks with digital 3D generated art. I don't think most of them have a clue as to what they're looking at or how it's done. Or even care. :laugh2:

Which is depressing somehow. :confused:
 

Mindfrigg

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 27, 2010
Messages
59,729
Reaction score
327,189
Probably because of all that technology....:hmm:
I think it has more to do with the industry itself. As in marketing, packaging, and agencies who skim off the top.

Not to mention all the dummies who BUY the crap music. If dummies buy crap, crap will be made. And the more crap they buy, the more artists are pressured to produce crap...and the more crappy artists are rewarded with sales of their crappy crap. :laugh2:

Supply and demand. :facepalm:
 

ehb

Chief Discombobulator
Joined
Feb 20, 2013
Messages
32,388
Reaction score
142,684
The problem with using a gtr synth or modeling pedal is that a guitarist playing keyboard on guitar is gonna be PLAYED like a guitarist would play... Phrasing, attacks, etc... and usually sounds like shit.

Same with the converse. KB players suck just as bad playing a guitar part on KB because they do not phrase like guitarists, not even close...

If one mimics another instrument with whatever tech, one needs to understand the mechanics of playing that instrument to be able to accurately pull it off... or it sticks out like a sore thumb...

Usually funny when someone tries to mimic an alto sax solo on guitar....
Sax players play some sideways shit in solos if you look at it like a guitar player... Like trying to track the flight path of a bat at times...

Think normal blues rock guitar solo... Typical starting points in the main block, typical move up on the IV, typical phrasing to back down into I and the slide up into V then IV then I.... You can use the same notes with the admissible half step passers and temp porch note coming down, but in a different order/direction and mystify the hell out of some... Think three blocks covering I IV V.... A bud of mine with stage/studio/tv creds out the ass, never starts a solo where you think.... He is why I call it playing sideways... He'll start in the middle of the blocks and go opposite direction most anybody else will go....and he is playing the same damn notes in the blocks BUT different order and direction... I've watched other guitarists watch him at one of our shows and say 'just how the fuck did he do that?'... Funny. He plays very similar to a horn player...
 

Mindfrigg

Senior Member
Joined
Dec 27, 2010
Messages
59,729
Reaction score
327,189
Phrasing is very important, as is knowing the range of a given instrument. If you've listened and paid attention all your life you can hear when an instrument's natural range is exceeded even with a good multi sample. It sounds synthetic.

Attack is also important and characteristic to each instrument. The demos of the Miroslav Philharmonik samples I mentioned, even though they're hi fidelity samples of real instruments... the attack sometimes sounds wrong, and if the first few milliseconds of a sound aren't what we expect it kind of blows the whole thing.
Which is another problem with MIDI guitar. A delay of a few milliseconds can blow the whole feel of things. You have to get used to that and compensate in your phrasing. Or just decide it ain't your thang.
 

artis_xe

Christopher
Joined
Jan 15, 2013
Messages
23,202
Reaction score
105,629
'97 happy hardcore... those were the days :)
for me especially . I watched the entire evolution of it happen right before my eyes . I was working at The Tunnel in NYC when Junior Vasquez introduced this to the crowds . on Halloween of all nights



and I was also there , when he decided to play this to the crowd . which caused a massive amount of trouble . being that Madonna was in the club the night he decided to blast it :applause:. the original version had him stopping the music . all lights went out . and he shouted the famous " If Madonna Calls . . . "
 




Top