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Also important for mounting (the pickup) is the type of guitar. A Gibson style bridge you need a mounting bracket which often (but not always) comes with. On a Strat type guitar you must drill some tiny holes for the screws and spring mounting. That means if you change your mind you have to live with that or replace the guard.
 

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That's why radio has been formatted decades ago...acoustic wallpaper. :wow:
Really, I was shocked. I don't remember exactly but I think only about 17% of the respondents said music was "very important" in their lives.

No wonder the world is in such shit shape. You have a bunch of insensitive dimwits running things. :laugh2:
 

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Really, I was shocked. I don't remember exactly but I think only about 17% of the respondents said music was "very important" in their lives.
And lots don't give a fuck about the environment either. Really, I'm not sure we're worth saving.

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How EHX pulls this series of pedals off, I don't know..... Pretty damn cool for the prices...
Thanks for posting that lot! I need a quiet moment to sit down properly and listen to the demos.
 
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Because I am the Serpent :naughty:



Unless I've misunderstood the PR, not with this unit. [EDIT:] Can be used without - best with, apparently



Yup, $999 I think.
The Roland Gr-D Space Distortion I have allows for standard pickup input and sounds very good that way. But with polyphonic synth effects just not as good. If you aren't inclined to go the hex pickup route I think other options like the pedals Ed showed would suffice. You can review their specific capabilities and choose or not. I for instance find piano capabilities to be the least useful on a guitar. Organ is second. It's not that easy to make a guitar (technique-wise) sound convincing in those modes and after all, that's what you want with those sounds.
 

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I like Electro Harmonix stuff. I had a Micro Synthesizer in the late '70s early '80s that I liked a lot. It tracked very well and sounded good. The fuzz was gated so sounded a tad artificial but was very quiet. It had octave above and below capabilities as well as a mixer, triggered filter (we called it an envelope follower in those days) and sweep controls. I think they still make them. I would definitely recommend one of those.

With a delay pedal you can go apeshit. :dude:
 

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I for instance find piano capabilities to be the least useful on a guitar. Organ is second. It's not that easy to make a guitar (technique-wise) sound convincing in those modes and after all, that's what you want with those sounds.
I get that intuitively. Also remember nodding along to your exchange with Phil about keyboard emulation pedals and the need for specific guitar technique to avoid sounding like shite on a tall stick.
 

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I like Electro Harmonix stuff. I had a Micro Synthesizer in the late '70s early '80s that I liked a lot. It tracked very well and sounded good. The fuzz was gated so sounded a tad artificial but was very quiet. It had octave above and below capabilities as well as a mixer, triggered filter (we called it an envelope follower in those days) and sweep controls. I think they still make them. I would definitely recommend one of those.

With a delay pedal you can go apeshit. :dude:

EHX builds some good stuff.... I love the Soul Food pedal. (does same thing as a Klon) Hella cheaper than a Klon and does the same thing.... I'm not big on bullshit mystique...

EHX builds all kinds of cool beans pedals.... Ain't their first rodeo by a long shot....

Modeling is not new or tough anymore... Algorithm.... Think sampling (no Phil, no long boring explanation that nobody wants to read).... If you have a sample, and have a bucket of computer code that can analyze things such as multiple attack/releases, harmonic content vs. time, changes of any kind during sample, etc., then you can develop an algorithm to recreate the complex waveform. The dude at Bell way back mixed pure sine waves and recreated some complex waveforms.... Sounded fairly close to the real instruments... That was the tech behind the Yamaha DX7 that sold more units than any other instrument in history I believe.... That is waaaaaaaaaay old technology compared to today...

If I can glue white spots all over my body and go into a room with scanning lasers, and dance like and idiot (which is pretty much how I dance), the code boys running the server can tell the server to wrap the MOVING DOTS INFO on points on a Friggsley image and lo and behold, Friggsley is on the screen dancing like an idiot....

That is full lifelike vid... How hard would audio be? ;)


I read somewhere it took about 125hrs to render the first Pirates movie on the Diz server farm.....while they also ran all of Diz on the same farm... That was years ago....

Massive horsepower in a small chip available now.... Cheap...

Imagine what we'll be able to play with in a year or two....
 

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EHX builds some good stuff.... I love the Soul Food pedal. (does same thing as a Klon) Hella cheaper than a Klon and does the same thing.... I'm not big on bullshit mystique...

EHX builds all kinds of cool beans pedals.... Ain't their first rodeo by a long shot....

Modeling is not new or tough anymore... Algorithm.... Think sampling (no Phil, no long boring explanation that nobody wants to read).... If you have a sample, and have a bucket of computer code that can analyze things such as multiple attack/releases, harmonic content vs. time, changes of any kind during sample, etc., then you can develop an algorithm to recreate the complex waveform. The dude at Bell way back mixed pure sine waves and recreated some complex waveforms.... Sounded fairly close to the real instruments... That was the tech behind the Yamaha DX7 that sold more units than any other instrument in history I believe.... That is waaaaaaaaaay old technology compared to today...

If I can glue white spots all over my body and go into a room with scanning lasers, and dance like and idiot (which is pretty much how I dance), the code boys running the server can tell the server to wrap the MOVING DOTS INFO on points on a Friggsley image and lo and behold, Friggsley is on the screen dancing like an idiot....

That is full lifelike vid... How hard would audio be? ;)


I read somewhere it took about 125hrs to render the first Pirates movie on the Diz server farm.....while they also ran all of Diz on the same farm... That was years ago....

Massive horsepower in a small chip available now.... Cheap...

Imagine what we'll be able to play with in a year or two....
A pedal company I miss is Dod. They had some good pedals that competed with Boss but didn't copy them. Their hair band distortions were very good. I fired up my RP-1 again just a month or so ago and I have to admit I'm able to get "those" sounds much easier than modeling. They're rich and have so much depth.
The RP-1 has several Dod analog distortions, overdrives,noise gate, chorus, 10 band EQ and stuff joined with a Digitech DSP 256 rack digital delay/ reverb/ modulation in one floor unit. Early '90s but still the shit.
 
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The Synth9 is great fun... really might pick one up, especially if I see it second-hand... very little downside to that.

I actually liked the demo of the B9 Organ but probably wouldn't really use it. The Bass Machine was also really fun but again, not sure if / how I'd use it. Didn't really get with the upright bass emulation, nor the the chorus Jaco, but I can get that sound with an actual fretless and Helix. As a sometime bass player, I'm going to be too picky about tone to be an ideal customer for this one. Although the bowed bass / cello tone was cool :)

Tape Replay was another pleasant surprise... I could definitely have fun with this. As with other split amp options, it would play well with Helix using twin amp patches...

Surprisingly impressive Key 9 Electric Piyanna :laugh2: Much better than I expected. I will send you the invoices.

How EHX pulls this series of pedals off, I don't know..... Pretty damn cool for the prices...
Fair comment.
 

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If you don't play keyboards at all it can be very satisfying. But it's hard to fool anybody.
I think these pedals are fun and it could work given some diligence on pedal settings and guitar technique and I have no problem with that. I expect amp / cab / mic / guitar effects modelling to work to 'fool anyone' standards these days, but I don't expect that from the EHX pedals, so it's okay... Quite an eye-opener for me, really.
 

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Imagine what we'll be able to play with in a year or two....
I have a feeling that this is where the big beasts in the amp modelling world will be going next. They are getting very close to nailing amps, cabs, stomp boxes etc, so engulfing the EHX world with better tech is a logical feature set to pull in new customers for future products.
 

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I think these pedals are fun and it could work given some diligence on pedal settings and guitar technique and I have no problem with that. I expect amp / cab / mic / guitar effects modelling to work to 'fool anyone' standards these days, but I don't expect that from the EHX pedals, so it's okay... Quite an eye-opener for me, really.
Even with MIDI guitar control it's tough to emulate two hand technique on a keyboard. Finger picking is a must. But melodically it's fine. And in a mix nobody will know, if you pay attention to your phrasing. It's all most effective if you're recording.

People don't seem to be as impressed as they should be when piano sounds spew from your guitar...But judging from the poll I referenced it's not too surprising they don't grasp or care what's going on. I get the same reaction from folks with digital 3D generated art. I don't think most of them have a clue as to what they're looking at or how it's done. Or even care. :laugh2:

Which is depressing somehow. :confused:
 


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