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Yes, and this bears repeating.



I've disagreed with you, but "educated" you does sound so much worse :laugh2: Clearly, I'm evil.



You mean 'disagreed with'? Nope, it must be me being evil. :naughty::mad2:

Now who's got the key to the room Sid was looking for?
Nope! I'm afraid that when one states in a post that they are "educating you" for not agreeing with their beliefs then that is not quite the same as disagreeing with them..
Mind you I can clearly see where you have developed this rather patronising style. You just need to switch the radio on in the morning..:laugh2:
 
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Another of your incessant dodges is to try to make it all about me as a means of avoiding directly engaging with the arguments put forward.

You use a combination of leading questions and false claims about me to derail the discussion and delegitimise me. It's all straight out of the well-worn contrarian playbook.

There's an iron rule here: the person who constantly resorts to bad faith rhetorical trickery has lost the argument and knows it. If you are in the right, there's no need for dirty tricks.
 

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We used to sell vape stuff in our shop. We only sold quality. We refused to sell back room mixes. We sold quite a bit for a good while. Then, every gas station on the planet started selling cheap liquid and folks jumped on that because it was cheap as hell. We got out of it because we would not resort to selling bulk cheap shit from who knows where with who knows what for ingredients... We decided to get out of it.....

Where issues started, in my opinion, folks started competing for the most freaking fog... Instead of an alternative nicotine delivery system, it became 'I can blow more smoke than you' and the wattage of the mods went through the roof, all so folks could look like a damn skeeter truck blowing smoke from when we were kids....




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g mornings and afternoons


Almost lost my shit at the bark park.
Had an ill-informed individual touting her military accomplishments. Did not take long for tale to be too tall to pass the bullshit test, but figured no big deal. That kind of need is a sad thing.
It spilled into her errant opinion on one of the forbidden topics. When I called her on her misunderstanding of fact she upped the stupid. I did not raise my voice, cuss or even display enough agitation to attract a nearby friend's attention, but after she left I felt the need spew. Good thing Dennis was there.
I've met too many of those types in my lifetime __ and I've learned that it's best not to engage them . I can only partially understand how it would bother a person that actually served , but calling someone out escalates the situation

that kind of need IS very sad , but I don't like to be brought into other people's warped fantasies of heroism . especially when the world is full of actual heroes , in many different forms . good on you for not slamming them down :thumb: . is Wasted Energy
 

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the old time movies trick was for a huge cloud to form ( like a smoke bomb ) , and the person would vanish into thin air when the smoke settled

these kids are fooling around with black magic . one of these days __ " Larry " is going to blow a huge cloud . then * POOF *

no more Larry :shock:
 

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The NHS was set up as more of a nationalised service as opposed to socialised but as you said like all politics it's all according to how far down the rabbit hole you want to go.
This particular guy I was talking about has always been a staunch member of the ultra far left British Socialist Party but like many like him have all pie in the sky ideals which they never adhere to themselves.
Unfortunately I don't buy into his way of thinking which is like the Rolls Royce analogy of one can have what they want and choose to live the lifestyle they so wish and mine is to choose not to work and claim as much benefit as I can..O.k. fine but if everybody thought like you did then who the f*ck would be keeping you.
As far as I am concerned benefits were set up in this country for people who were genuinely ill, unable to work, disabled or had fallen on hard times due to temporary unemployment etc and that I am only too happy to contribute to but certainly not for spongers like him who are quite capable of working yet choose to live at others expense. And wonder of wonders the state seems to have given him enough money for him to have bought a £12,000 second hand Toyota electric car which he proudly claims is less polluting than my diesel Seat Leon... :applause:
Yeah I don't see giving money to the able-bodied either. Unemployment payments and things like that, sure. To a point and depending upon the economy. And not for eternity. I don't think you can get away with that kind of crap in this country. Not sure of the policies there. Both socialistic and capitalistic practices can go too far. It's a balance.

In this country we've pissed away 5-7 trillion on two forever wars that by everyone's acknowledgement were for nothing. And yet we're in them for the foreseeable future throwing good money after bad. It's easy to imagine how that money could have been better spent and how even more prosperous and secure this nation would be.
 

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Yeah I don't see giving money to the able-bodied either. Unemployment payments and things like that, sure. To a point and depending upon the economy. And not for eternity. I don't think you can get away with that kind of crap in this country. Not sure of the policies there. Both socialistic and capitalistic practices can go too far. It's a balance.

In this country we've pissed away 5-7 trillion on two forever wars that by everyone's acknowledgement were for nothing. And yet we're in them for the foreseeable future throwing good money after bad. It's easy to imagine how that money could have been better spent and how even more prosperous and secure this nation would be.

( disclaimer : the validity of any of my arguments can be disqualified by the fact that I am on medications for " unusual " brain chemistry . and my theories about anything __ are just delusions )

I think that the current economy / way of government , relies on a certain percentage of the population embracing the hopelessness of their situations . there are a lot of people that just need a fire to be lit . but only enough of a fire to get them to stand in formation . to really inspire change would be a dangerous thing for those in Control . and many nations know this __ when they move to overthrow

when I look around in a crowd of people , and see how many have just given up / given in to it all . maybe I'm just hallucinating . but it seems that people are afraid to do , what they need to do the most . and that's to disrupt The System . and me ? I'm just typing this nonsense on a computer from my kitchen , to a guitar forum . I should concentrate on my work today , so that I don't end up doing the assignments throughout the weekend
 

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Glad to see some of our military are being pulled out of harm's way.

That shit has been going on and on and on and on.....

Bring our folks home....

They've been fighting since Phil was called Emrys.......and if this rock makes it another ten centuries, they might still be fighting...

Isis has been blown into the abyss pretty much by the Allies... If they pop up again, blast em into the dark ages again....from the air...


Bring our folks home...
 

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There's an iron rule here: the person who constantly resorts to bad faith rhetorical trickery has lost the argument and knows it. If you are in the right, there's no need for dirty tricks.
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And who pray implemented this iron rule Dom? Not you by any chance?.'.:laugh2:
I think you have answered your own question there Dom . As you say, there is no need for dirty tricks "when you are right" . So as I mentioned before I assume that's one of the reasons you never feel the need to revert to them.....;)..:laugh2:

Dom, you and I are completely different personalities and come at things in an entirely different way on a lot of issues.
As in the case of one's views on leaving the European Union. No right, no wrong, just a completely different way of viewing things.
Take that guy commuters dragged off the train yesterday. My view is that if you wish to succeed with ones cause then it must be based on a two way mutual respect A-: from the people who are demonstrating for the people they are addressing and B-: from the people they are addressing for the people who are demonstrating. And in this case I think the protesters got it totally wrong.
Now that's my personal view and opinion and personal views and opinions are what debates and conversations are all about. You probably totally disagree with me as to how this incident panned out and that's fair enough, so feel free to tell me why you think otherwise.
But please spare me the pasted multitude of online media quotes etc as I'd like to hear what you've personally have got to say.

For anyone who doesn't know what happened in London yesterday here's a clip.



 
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We crossed there Phil. And I think XR were foolish to do the tube thing. I won't defend that particular action.

But before you start up with any non sequitur crap, that doesn't mean that XR is wrong in what it is doing in general nor that the warnings coming from climate science are wrong.
 

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We crossed there Phil. And I think XR were foolish to do the tube thing. I won't defend that particular action.

But before you start up with any non sequitur crap, that doesn't mean that XR is wrong in what it is doing in general nor that the warnings coming from climate science are wrong.
Your at it again Dom...Crap! Climate science, Non Sequitur. Sometimes I feel I should reply to your posts in Latin?..:laugh2:
It was a simple question.. Do you think these protesters actions were justified disrupting commuters by holding up a train?
You answered "no " and that was fine.
The question wasn't addressing what they were protesting about in general as we all know what that is.
 

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Your at it again Dom...Crap!
I know exactly how this works, Phil. Find something trivial then leverage it through false equivalence in an attempt to delegitimise the whole message. It's what the rightwing media does all the time, day in, day out. Right now, they're all moaning about the tube action with the usual anti-environmentalist dogwhistling. So we won't be doing it here, today.
 

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I know exactly how this works, Phil. Find something trivial then leverage it through false equivalence in an attempt to delegitimise the whole message. It's what the rightwing media does all the time, day in, day out. Right now, they're all moaning about the tube action with the usual anti-environmentalist dogwhistling. So we won't be doing it here, today.
My God Dom. You are not on medication by any chance?..:oops:
You know that this is one of the symptoms of the onset of paranoid schizophrenia.
Ok, so now a major U.K. news headlining story from yesterday on a topic we have recently discussed has now suddenly turned into deligitimizing the "message" by the evil right wing media with its usual anti environmentalist dog whistling.?
Good grief Dom, last month it was Nazi coups in parliament by the right wing fascist Boris Johnson and now Right Wing " denial"..
(There I've said it before you this time )...:laugh2:



So may I suggest we move to a topic that doesn't entail right wing extremists and the weather..


I know....Favourite Horror films..

I'll nominate "Don't look now"...Awesome. No silly exploding heads. Great photography mostly shot in Venice. Atmospheric with a brilliant twist at the end.

 

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My friend's dad is in a new Holocaust documentary. My pal Steven can be seen to the left of his father in the trailer.
Below is the blurb for the movie, and the URLs for both the trailer and the movie.

"Synopsis: A story of strength, willpower, and determination in the pursuit of liberty during the Holocaust, as told from the perspective of Theofanis Orfanos, a Greek native who was captured by Nazi Germany forces at fifteen years-old."


Trailer:


Film:
 
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My God Dom. You are not on medication by any chance?..:oops:
You know that this is one of the symptoms of the onset of paranoid schizophrenia.
FFS Phil, you are doing it again. Please. Stop.

The rightwing press shits all over environmental protests and also peddles climate denialism. Fact. Denying facts is never a good idea.

There's an iron rule here: the person who constantly resorts to bad faith rhetorical trickery has lost the argument and knows it. If you are in the right, there's no need for dirty tricks.
And who pray implemented this iron rule Dom? Not you by any chance?.'.
Nope, not me. It's self-evidently true :facepalm: Which is a bit awkward, given your unfortunate reliance on dirty rhetorical tricks, but denying self-evident truths only makes bad look even worse.
 




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