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Apart from the fact that all existing nuances have been lost by going through so and so many devices when they finally are played through one's puny pc speakers
Exactly..There are just so many variables in the equation that it can't possibly represent the product accurately.
Guitar, amp, pickups, playing style, acoustics, and what you are listening to it on as you mentioned.
 
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Exactly..There are just so many variables in the equation that it can't possibly represent the product accurately.
Guitar, amp, pickups, playing style, acoustics, what you are listening to it on as you mentioned.

also . the people that review the gear are under an unwritten contract to give good reviews to everything . the end result of that , is that more manufacturers will send them free gear to review . there are several music related channels that won't do reviews for this reason alone . also because of the reasons mentioned above

just get the same amp . same mic . same guitar to match with this one pedal . and you'll sound exactly like the review . once you learn how to play exactly like the person in the video
 

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also . the people that review the gear are under an unwritten contract to give good reviews to everything . the end result of that , is that more manufacturers will send them free gear to review . there are several music related channels that won't do reviews for this reason alone . also because of the reasons mentioned above

just get the same amp . same mic . same guitar to match with this one pedal . and you'll sound exactly like the review . once you learn how to play exactly like the person in the video
Spot on Art..
It's also probably an age thing with me as well..:laugh2:
I never grew up in a world where there was something like YouTube with a million and one people all saying " Hi YouTubers, hey what's up? and don't forget to subscribe and give my channel a like".... :shock:

You only had a limited choice back then but then hey ho , every song that will survive the ravages of time was probably played on one of those limited choices anyway..:laugh2:
 

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Perhaps that's why so many individuals stemmed from the early days of rock.
You heard a guitar sound you liked on an album but you didn't have a clue as to what gear the player was using half the time and could only hazard a guess, therefore spending more time developing your own distinctive sound. Whereas these days people seem to spend more time chasing elusive tones through a myriad of products in the comfort of their front room which quite often results in them missing the wood for the trees...
 

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Well, what did we have (or crave)? Most of the time either a Fender or a Gibson guitar and a Fender or a Marshall amp. Some specialist probably longed for a Gretsch but other than that?
As for recorded samples of gear (or actual records): there are the mics, mixing console, pre-amps, recording device, mastering process, EQ, audio medium and what you're listening through at the other end and a Telecaster will generate open mouths for the "Greatest Les Paul sound" ever recorded.... :laugh2:
 

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Wow... always loved this band but never heard this tune.

Is that a 335?
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First album... Years back, I told Paul it sounded like an 'adults had left the bldg' tune... He grinned and said 'pretty much'... Buddy tweren't there to back em off on that one like rest of the stuff..

'68/69 Deluxe Goldtop with minis.... His entire run with em.... Great guitar and even greater player...

Willie took a killer a pic of Barry's Goldtop for his book.... It is beautiful to me because it is honest wear and thousands of hours of playing on it... and damn it sounds good...


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Well, what did we have (or crave)? Most of the time either a Fender or a Gibson guitar and a Fender or a Marshall amp. Some specialist probably longed for a Gretsch but other than that?
As for recorded samples of gear (or actual records): there are the mics, mixing console, pre-amps, recording device, mastering process, EQ, audio medium and what you're listening through at the other end and a Telecaster will generate open mouths for the "Greatest Les Paul sound" ever recorded.... :laugh2:
Dead right Tom..Record a song and It's all change once again and a good recording engineer is a whole professional skill in itself.
As I've said previously Roy Baker couldn't play an instrument if it bit him where the sun doesn't shine but! he was brilliant at getting the sound he envisaged from an instrument by tweaking knobs and dials and connecting this up with that.
An art form on its own.
 

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Perhaps that's why so many individuals stemmed from the early days of rock.
You heard a guitar sound you liked on an album but you didn't have a clue as to what gear the player was using half the time and could only hazard a guess, therefore spending more time developing your own distinctive sound. Whereas these days people seem to spend more time chasing elusive tones through a myriad of products in the comfort of their front room which quite often results in them missing the wood for the trees...
You speak truth, and yet even in the olden days, you had tinkerers who also happened to be great musicians:
* Randy California: He built a theremin into his Silvertone, FFS.
* Roger McGuinn: On the Byrds song "Why," he put the guts of a walkie-talkie into a cigar box with the send and receive transducers facing each other.
* John Cipollina: Just Google his rig and prepare to be amazed.
* Vincent Bell: He made his own stompboxes before there were such things, and also invented the electric sitar.
* Les F*cking Paul: Nuff said.
 

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Dead right Tom..Record a song and It's all change once again and a good recording engineer is a whole professional skill in itself.
As I've said previously Roy Baker couldn't play an instrument if it bit him where the sun doesn't shine but! he was brilliant at getting the sound he envisaged from an instrument by tweaking knobs and dials and connecting this up with that.
An art form on its own.
Right you are!
"An art form on its own," for certain.
 

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@ehb Nice tone (Barry / Atlanta RS). Interesting that he resorted to the EP-3 to fatten up those minibuckers in his LP Deluxe and I'm hoeing the same row trying to sort out the bridge pup in a Strat - with some success. The EP-3 > jumped 50W Plexi > Basketweave G12 M25 cab > SM57 is in the ballpark. An extra kick up the arse from the Timmy when needed.
 

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You speak truth, and yet even in the olden days, you had tinkerers who also happened to be great musicians:
* Randy California: He built a theremin into his Silvertone, FFS.
* Roger McGuinn: On the Byrds song "Why," he put the guts of a walkie-talkie into a cigar box with the send and receive transducers facing each other.
* John Cipollina: Just Google his rig and prepare to be amazed.
* Vincent Bell: He made his own stompboxes before there were such things, and also invented the electric sitar.
* Les F*cking Paul: Nuff said.
Of course there have always been people who tinkered with gear but generally speaking it wasn't a common pastime amongst the musicians of the day simply because there wasn't anything to tinker with.
Those who did tinker usually already had an interest in electronics like Roy Baker who made the world's first distorted guitar amp out of my mum's HMV radio..:laugh2:
She wasn't pleased to say the least when she came home from work and told Roy to put it back together to how it was...
He was always buggering around with a soldering iron putting different capacitors in this and that.

 
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I love that Mom's Radio story!
Magic, it is!
So was Mr Baker.
Very cool that you knew him (and the talented Mr Cattini, et al).
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The funny thing is Tim that back then these friends were just ordinary guys on the block and there was no crystal ball to to gaze into to make you think any different.
I have turned down work people today would say I was insane to do so but all these things were in the future.
A bit like meeting a guy who asks if you want to go into business with him as he has a great idea and you think "yeah, I've heard it all before" so you go into business with another guy who owns an up and coming restaurant instead.
Then five years later there is a documentary about the first guy you turned down and his new company "Microsoft"..... :facepalm: ..:laugh2:

But then again if I had chosen a different destiny I wouldn't have Sylvia, my kids, grandkids, or my pets who to me are worth all the gold records ever made.
Life is strange indeed..
 

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Good Morning folkses! :wave:

As for radios: this was my first "guitar amp":





Got a second shortly after and daisy chained them - should've patented it so MESA would owe me a lot of money these days....:laugh2:
To me a radio was just a radio but obviously others saw potential in them for other uses.
I also had one of these at the time although Roy seemed far more interested in my mum's radio..
A Selmer "Little Giant".
I also believe it was Keith Richards,
Rory Gallagher's and Robin Trower's first amp too.
a tiny thing, only 4 watts.

 
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