The judge sez to let militia members walk

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Michigan Militia Members Cleared of Charges that
Accused Them of Plotting War Against Government


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(U.S. Marshalls Service, File/Associated Press) - FILE - This file combo of
eight photos provided by the U.S. Marshals Service on Monday March 29,
2010 shows, from top left, David Brian Stone Sr., 44, of Clayton, Mich,; David
Brian Stone Jr. of Adrian, Mich,; Jacob Ward, 33, of Huron, Ohio; Tina Mae
Stone and bottom row from left, Michael David Meeks, 40, of Manchester,
Mich,; Kristopher T. Sickles, 27, of Sandusky, Ohio; Joshua John



By Associated Press, March 27

AP DETROIT — A federal judge on Tuesday gutted the government’s case
against seven members of a Michigan militia, dismissing the most serious
charges in an extraordinary defeat for federal authorities who insisted they
had captured homegrown rural extremists poised for war.

U.S. District Judge Victoria Roberts said the members’ expressed hatred of
law enforcement didn’t amount to a conspiracy to rebel against the
government. The FBI had secretly planted an informant and an FBI agent
inside the Hutaree militia starting in 2008 to collect hours of anti-government
audio and video that became the cornerstone of the case.

“The court is aware that protected speech and mere words can be sufficient
to show a conspiracy. In this case, however, they do not rise to that level,”
the judge said on the second anniversary of raids and arrests that broke up
the group.

Roberts granted requests for acquittal on the most serious charges:
conspiring to commit sedition, or rebellion, against the U.S. and conspiring to
use weapons of mass destruction. Other weapons crimes tied to the alleged
conspiracies also were dismissed.

“The judge had a lot of guts,” defense attorney William Swor said. “It would
have been very easy to say, ‘The heck with it,’ and hand it off to the jury.
But the fact is she looked at the evidence, and she looked at it very carefully.”

The trial, which began Feb. 13, will resume Thursday with only a few gun
charges remaining against militia leader David Stone and son Joshua Stone,
both from Lenawee County, Mich. They have been in custody without bond
for two years.

Prosecutors said Hutaree members were anti-government rebels who
combined training and strategy sessions to prepare for a violent strike
against federal law enforcement, triggered first by the slaying of a police
officer.

But there never was an attack. Defense lawyers said highly offensive remarks
about police and the government were wrongly turned into a high-profile
criminal case that drew public praise from U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder,
who in 2010 called Hutaree a “dangerous organization.”

David Stone’s “statements and exercises do not evince a concrete
agreement to forcibly resist the authority of the United States government,”
Roberts said Tuesday. “His diatribes evince nothing more than his own hatred
for — perhaps even desire to fight or kill — law enforcement; this is not the
same as seditious conspiracy.”

U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade declined to comment. Two years ago, when
militia members were arrested, she said it was time to “take them down.”

The FBI had put a local informant, Dan Murray, inside the militia in 2008 and
paid him $31,000. An FBI agent from New Jersey also was embedded. Steve
Haug, known as “Jersey Steve,” posed as a trucker and spent months
secretly recording talks with Stone. He even served as Stone’s best man at
his wedding, a celebration with militia members wearing military fatigues.

Haug repeatedly talked to Stone about building pipe bombs and getting other
sophisticated explosives. The FBI rented a warehouse in Ann Arbor where the
agent would invite him and others to store and discuss weapons.

Haug told jurors he was “shocked” by Stone’s knowledge of explosives, noting
it matched some of his own instruction as a federal agent.

Stone was recorded saying he was willing to kill police and even their families.
He considered them part of a “brotherhood” — a sinister global authority that
included federal law enforcers and United Nations troops.

He had bizarre beliefs: Stone suspected Germany and Singapore had aircraft
stationed in Texas, and thousands of Canadian troops were poised to take
over Michigan
. He said the government put computer chips in a flu vaccine.

He had a speech prepared for a regional militia gathering in Kentucky in 2010,
but bad weather forced him and others to return to Michigan. Instead, he
read it in the van while a secret camera installed by the FBI captured the remarks.

“It is time to strike and take our nation back so that we may be free again
from tyranny,” Stone said. “Time is up, God bless all of you and welcome to
the new revolution.”

Swor said Stone is a Christian who was bracing for war against the Antichrist.

“This is not the United States government. This is Satan’s army,” Swor told
the judge Monday, referring to the enemy.

Militia members cleared of all charges were Stone’s wife, Tina Stone, and his
son, David Stone Jr.; Thomas Piatek of Whiting, Ind.; Michael Meeks of
Manchester, Mich.; and Kris Sickles of Sandusky, Ohio.

“It’s hard to believe it’s over,” said Tina Stone, crying as she spoke by
phone. “Thank God we live in a country where we do have freedom of speech.”

Joshua Clough of Blissfield, Mich., pleaded guilty to a weapons charge in
December and awaits his sentence. Jacob Ward of Huron, Ohio, will have a
separate trial.

CANADA????

Jeez - you can't trust ANYBODY anymore!

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:



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Sooo... is Canada the Antichrist? Or maybe Germany?
 

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CANADA????

Jeez - you can't trust ANYBODY anymore!

I moved from Upstate New York to Florida just to get away from the threat of those frost-bitten marauders of the frozen North-- especially Big Al. But the whole thing blew up in my face as I learned that there are scads of them down here, usually on vacation.

I'm looking at fleeing to Nebraska next. Never heard of no Canadians in Nebraska, and I think there's a law against even being Canadian in that state... :hmm:

*****

Meanwhile: looks like these folks missed an all-expenses-paid stay at the supermax in Florence, Colorado. Too bad: they could have spent their time learning ASL, so they could talk to Terry Nichols though the soundproof glass windows of their cells...

I'm not at all sure what to make of this group of individuals, or even the parent group to which they belonged. On the one hand, they do seem to have the ol' apocalyptic worldview going, which can be troublesome. But on the other hand, they sometimes come off more like a coffee klatch of unusually colorful-- and highly imaginative-- survival buffs. Big talk, no real action, more like scary hobbyists than anything else... maybe.

I see that they have "weapons charges" still pending, but a cursory search of the interwebz hasn't revealed to me precisely what those charges might be. I figure that they might not much of anything, and am relieved not to see the usual hollering about "assault rifles" going on. Other than that, however, I noticed that the FBI didn't introduce explosives or (God forbid) any "weapons of mass destruction" or their precursors as evidence at the trial. What they appear to have done is recorded a lot of talk-talk, but no genuine conspiracy. But it was scary talk-talk, and maybe the feebs were just busting on these guys to cost them time and money. That is a law enforcement tactic, though you'll never find it in a textbook.

I was faintly amused at the idea that anybody would figure that a combat unit no larger than a standard infantry squad was going to somehow take out the United States government, too. Not sure if that's the feds exaggerating to beat the band, or if the group was doofus enough to actually think of this as a viable possibility. Now, if they had busted a whole platoon of 'em... :laugh2:

So I dunno. On the one hand, it's easy to paint these people as being extremists of some sort of another-- maybe with a propensity for twisted daydreams of the Turner Diaries variety... or did the group just get lucky? Hard to say, but for sure the feds engaged in their customary hyperbolic courtroom antics. For instance, I noticed where one agent told the jury that

"he was 'shocked' by Stone's knowledge of explosives, noting that it matched some of his own instruction as a federal agent."

This comment made me rub the bridge of my nose tiredly. Any nineteen year-old military combat engineer is likely to possess an acumen beyond that of a federal agent whose area of expertise isn't specifically in the field of explosives technology! In the SF q-course, one learns how to make nitroglycerine out of pig turds and hand soap, fer cryin' out loud, and I doubt that they even teach that trick at Glynco. So for the agent to have invoked this as though it were prima facie evidence of serious wrongdoing was... pejorative... and a thing obviously meant to scare the grand jury.

Tricky stuff, right here. Sad to find myself taking almost as dim a view of the FBI as I would a pack of armed ideologues.

Scary times, man.

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0tyAHoJEyo]Sly & The Family Stone - Stand! - YouTube[/ame]

Oops, sorry, wrong Stone family.
 

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Well....at least they didn't raid the warehouse this time....Waco style. :hmm:
 

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1996 / Oklahoma City. These guys need to be watched closely!
 

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Holder should have charged them with pure ugliness. they would have received 10 yrs.
 

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careful, i just got done with a 3 day vacation for posting almost the same thing in another thread.

good to be back though.
 

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I better get back to the thread about free speech in the UK.:hmm:
 

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I've been warning people for decades about Canada invading the US.

Nobody believed me... until now.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZxa2D84IIo"]Should Canada Invade the U.S.A.? - YouTube[/ame]


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:lol::lol::lol:

Pfft. It would be easy to round up all you Canuckians if you decided to invade us.

We'll just make Hockey a year-round sport, and cut the price of Budweiser by 90%. Darwin will handle the rest. :cool:
 

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I have worked many times with the Canadian military and all I can say is good luck!

They seem more interested in the beer at the end of the day eh?
 

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CANADA????

Jeez - you can't trust ANYBODY anymore!

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

NO! taggers will be required to deface property in English and French! NOOOOOOOOO!

There's a time to think, and a time to act. And this, gentlemen, is no time to think.

Like maple syrup, Canada's evil oozes over the United States.


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