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Dolebludger

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Yes, the knob alignment on the fake is a dead give away. And if the pics were more detailed, we’d probably see other fake signs, such as rounded TP stud screws, oversized rounded tuning post washers, and misaligned headstock details and script.
 

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Yes, the knob alignment on the fake is a dead give away. And if the pics were more detailed, we’d probably see other fake signs, such as rounded TP stud screws, oversized rounded tuning post washers, and misaligned headstock details and script.
See photos posted in June, post #16823 in this thread (page 842)
 

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See photos posted in June, post #16823 in this thread (page 842)

Thanks, and I viewed that post. The pics there didn’t show everything, but they did show the rounded screw heads on the TP studs, along with the misaligned knobs. Certainly fake.
 

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And speaking of tuners... These are legit Grovers.
Gold lockers with keystones purchased from a reputable dealer on Amazon and arrived in Grover (not Allparts) packaging.
Nickel/chrome kidney beans are factory on my '19 Gibson LP

Learn the real thing, and the fakes become easier to spot ;)
Note the clean casting and Grover lettering, and the white-stainless-black washers.

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Understand! You show REAL grover locking tuners. I'm sure they are. But I'm not an expert on tuners -- real or fake.
 

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Understand! You show REAL grover locking tuners. I'm sure they are. But I'm not an expert on tuners -- real or fake.
It's like counterfeit money.
Bank employees spend many, many hours doing nothing but handling the real thing in training for spotting the fakes.
The better you know the legit product, the more obvious the fakes become.

I'm not there yet (or ever) on Epiphones, but Fenders are usually pretty obvious... but there are some BAAAD fake Fenders.
The tough ones are the fakes that are being presented as 50s/60s. The good fakes are hard to detect sometimes.
 

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Hello friends, how are you? First of all, sorry for my English.
I'm new to the forum. Yesterday I bought this Epiphone from a friend, I would like to know if anyone can confirm that it is genuine. I took a look at the details and it seems so. The only modification was the pickups, which were exchanged for better ones.

Thanks!
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Whoa... Did Grover go and change fonts on us in the last few years?
 

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Hi, first post here, so thank you all in advance:

I found a relatively nice (albeit definitely used) Epiphone Les Paul Custom + in a Sunburst decor for a really cheap price, which makes me wonder. There's also some stuff I think I've never seen on an Epi, although I'm obviously not an expert as a beginner in all things guitar.

So all in all, I think the guitar looks pretty good for my newbie-eye, although there's some stuff I think I've never seen on this model, for example the truss rod cover (although I've seen similiar ones on other Epiphones) and the Grover tuners look kinda off to my eye, both on the front and the back. If it's relevant, the manufacturing date of the serial number lines up with what the seller claims. Could be a good sign or just that he understands the way it is coded into the serial number.

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So, again - thank you all so much in advance!
 

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Help I have 2 options but not bill support so maybe can you guys help me with ur opinion about this two, not few bucks (at least not for me) so ur help is very much appreciated

Supposedly are a 1960 tribute (no plus just tribute (project shows 2011) and a standard (project shows (2008)

Can I be sure if those are reals? And In hierarchy is that plus above standard but below custom? Do any of em Worth owning?


60 tribute (bought)

And the standard


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he turned around that little plate (it says les Paul standard)
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Again thank you so much... if any can give me certain I probably try to buy it right away
 
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I never realized that there would be fakery with any name brand guitar maker and I don't think I'm that dumb
Thank you for the bringing it to light
 

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I never realized that there would be fakery with any name brand guitar maker and I don't think I'm that dumb
Thank you for the bringing it to light
It's been going on for quite some time. First on expensive guitars like Gibson and Fender, then on less expensive ones. Like it is said, it's easier to pass a fake $20 than a fake $100 bill.
 

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Hello Guys,
Firstly, I've been going through this forum and I need to say thanks for doing this.

So I'm about to buy this guitar, seller wants about 350 bucks for it, and though it looks almost legit (i have very little experience) I feel there are some giveaways, for one, the Grover tuning Keys gold plating looks somewhat off. Secondly the Serial number on the back, when I ran it on guitar dater, it says manufactured June 2010, and if I can correctly say, this looks to be an older 2016 Alpine.
Could you help me out?
/Leo

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That one is legit, no worries

Guitar dater doesn't work half the time for Epiphone.

FACTORY NUMBER CODES
For some models starting in 2008, if serial begins with numbers.

NOTE: The factories identified by these codes are based on patterns which forum members have observed. The numbers appear as the 5th and sixth digits in the serial number.


  • 10 = China - factory unknown found on two LP-Specials from '10
  • 11 = MIC sticker on a '08 Masterbuilt 500
  • 12 = DeaWon or Unsung (China -- uncertainty remains as to which factory)
  • 13 = China - factory unknown
  • 15 = Qingdao (China) -- electric
  • 16 = Qingdao (China) -- acoustic
  • 17 = China - factory unknown MIC sticker on a J160E
  • 18 = China - factory unknown found on one 2009 model bass
  • 20 = DaeWon or Unsung (China -- uncertainty remains as to which factory)
  • 21 = Unsung, Korea
  • 22 = Korea (factory still unknown)
  • 23 = Samick factory Indonesia
  • I = Indonesia (this letter has appeared as the 5th digit on two authentic new models made in Indonesia)

So, your serial being 1006232411

Year 10
Month 06
Factory 23 (Samick, Indonesia)
Production number 2411
 

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