string slot spacing on the nut

[idnotbe]

the sting slot spacing on the nut of the burst seems different to the Rx's.
burst's is wider and Rx's narrow.

am i right?

and does the string slot spacing vary also among the burst?
i mean... in the standard line, not in the narrow spacing hallow guitar line.

 

[homenote]

the sting slot spacing on the nut of the burst seems different to the Rx's.
burst's is wider and Rx's narrow.

am i right?

and does the string slot spacing vary also among the burst?
i mean... in the standard line, not in the narrow spacing hallow guitar line.

Sorry if I am stupid but what is a Rx burst?

 

[idnotbe]

Sorry if I am stupid but what is a Rx burst?

R9, R0, R8.... Historic Reissue
sorry about this confusing expression. ^^;;

 

[homenote]

R9, R0, R8.... Historic Reissue
sorry about this confusing expression. ^^;;

Oh, OK!

My bad.

I don't know much about the RI nuts but 'I think' the original 'Burst Nuts' were made of a kinda cheap nylon type material.

Im not saying it is a bad thing or down talking it (if i am even right) cuz a lot of them, obviously, 'sounded OK' no matter what the nut material was.

So, you are observing the nuts on Burst, to be bigger than the Ri's? Yer prolly right, about them all varying but the RIs are prolly more consistent, I would guess, anyways.

 

[hoss]

Yes, it is wider on a vintage Les Paul.
The nylon material is not cheap and hard to work on. It is filed out of a solid Nylon 6/6 block.
The Historic reissues use a molded Nylon 6/6 nut, which is a bit softer than the vintage material.

 

[homenote]

Yes, it is wider on a vintage Les Paul.
The nylon material is not cheap and hard to work on. It is filed out of a solid Nylon 6/6 block.
The Historic reissues use a molded Nylon 6/6 nut, which is a bit softer than the vintage material.

 

[JJ Blair]

Yes, it is wider on a vintage Les Paul.
The nylon material is not cheap and hard to work on. It is filed out of a solid Nylon 6/6 block.
The Historic reissues use a molded Nylon 6/6 nut, which is a bit softer than the vintage material.

Vintage LPs actually use 6/4 nylon. (A friend had it analyzed by Dupont for verification.) It's slightly more opaque. I have bunch of pieces of each. They are both a bitch to shape and notch.

 

[hoss]

Vintage LPs actually use 6/4 nylon. (A friend had it analyzed by Dupont for verification.)

Wow, awesome information. I got a 6/6 slab from Historic Makeovers and it is indeed less transparent than the Historic 6/6 mold.

 

[Dok Martin]

Vintage LPs actually use 6/4 nylon. (A friend had it analyzed by Dupont for verification.) It's slightly more opaque. I have bunch of pieces of each. They are both a bitch to shape and notch.

It is? I thought Nylon 6,4 wasn't manufactured before the 60s.

 

[DADGAD]

Anyone have pics of vintage burst nut spacing? Why wouldn't Gibson continue this or is it a moot point with the small difference in spacing?

 

[JJ Blair]

Wow, awesome information. I got a 6/6 slab from Historic Makeovers and it is indeed less transparent than the Historic 6/6 mold.

Yeah, that 6/6 stuff looks more white, and seems to let light pass thru a little more, too.

 

[JJ Blair]

It is? I thought Nylon 6,4 wasn't manufactured before the 60s.

OK, my recollection was wrong. I looked up the old e-mail about the chemical analysis. He refers to it as 4/6 nylon, not 6/4. Anyway, the chemical engineer called it a "6 nylon alloy," but it was not 6/6. 6/4 patent wasn't filed until 1959, so you're probably right.

I just knew that they originals weren't 6/6 like the type that HM sells.

 

[idnotbe]

Anyone have pics of vintage burst nut spacing? Why wouldn't Gibson continue this or is it a moot point with the small difference in spacing?

like fender vintage (bridge) spacing and the mexican spacing, the modern historic reissue spacing seems to make more comfortable playing.
especially the 1st string can get out of the fretboard easily when playing vibratos.

a few days later, i will upload the pics u mentioned.

I looked up the old e-mail about the chemical analysis. He refers to it as 4/6 nylon, not 6/4. Anyway, the chemical engineer called it a "6 nylon alloy," but it was not 6/6. 6/4 patent wasn't filed until 1959, so you're probably right.

I just knew that they originals weren't 6/6 like the type that HM sells.

imho it is meaningless to call the original as 6/4 or 6/6.
after comparing a couple of repro "vintage correct" nylon in the market, i found nothing is same as the original.
whatever they are called (6/4, 6/6, 4/6...), they are different.

if you drop the vintage nut and the repro nylon blank on the hard floor, they are easily distinguished by the sound.
the sound from the vintage nut is very brittle material's, such as ceramic's.

the only nylon blanks which i think is same as the original are NOS.
the seller told he purchased it from a local vintage store long time ago.

i'll upload the NOS blank pics too, a few days later.

 

[Dok Martin]

OK, my recollection was wrong. I looked up the old e-mail about the chemical analysis. He refers to it as 4/6 nylon, not 6/4. Anyway, the chemical engineer called it a "6 nylon alloy," but it was not 6/6. 6/4 patent wasn't filed until 1959, so you're probably right.

I just knew that they originals weren't 6/6 like the type that HM sells.

Ah, I knew there was a thread:

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/historics-reissues/72128-nylon-4-6-a.html

 

[Bill Hicklin]

Vintage LPs actually use 6/4 nylon. (A friend had it analyzed by Dupont for verification.) It's slightly more opaque. I have bunch of pieces of each. They are both a bitch to shape and notch.

Sorry JJ, and all due respect to your friend, but there is no such thing as 6/4 nylon, and no such thing as 4/6 nylon (Stanyl) existed before the 1980s. Besides, 4/6 is brick-red in color, not grayish white. The whole 6/4 urban myth began with the misreading of an old note from the Gibson files.

 

[yeti]

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[JJ Blair]

Sorry JJ, and all due respect to your friend, but there is no such thing as 6/4 nylon, and no such thing as 4/6 nylon (Stanyl) existed before the 1980s. Besides, 4/6 is brick-red in color, not grayish white. The whole 6/4 urban myth began with the misreading of an old note from the Gibson files.

Bill, I corrected myself a few posts later, if you read that. It was a "6 type nylon."

 

[korus]

the only nylon blanks which i think is same as the original are NOS.
the seller told he purchased it from a local vintage store long time ago.

i'll upload the NOS blank pics too, a few days later.

Pics would be nice. I've sent you a PM.

 

[idnotbe]

this is the nut blank i believe it is NOS.

will post the comparison between vintage slot spacing and R9 slot spacing a few days later.

 

[JJ Blair]

idnotbe, I have several of those, as well as several that have some string slots pre molded in them. However they would all be loo large for a Gibson in their normal state, and require a great deal of shaping.