Still having tuning issues with my Junior

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I really think that was not the case. I had the same problem no matter if it was strung by the seller I bought it from, by me or the professional luthier. Either way, never had this problem on any other guitar.
I'd still like to see it for myself to rule that out. See the above pic on proper stringing, its dead on.
 

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Been having tuning issues with my Les Paul Junior 2011 since I got it. I've been close to selling it because I'm sick of it. I've had Epiphones made in china that were built better, but yet something is holding me from getting rid of it. It's a pretty classic and cool guitar still.

Anyhow, I have replaced the nut with a better one done by a skilled luthier and initially I thought problem was solved because it seemed better, but I still have problems. It's mainly G that goes flat. One bend can be enough and sometimes just playing. Very frustrating as I cannot trust this guitar.

I'm not sure how much money I want to invest in fixing this problem, but what do you guys suggest I try next? A new bridge maybe? I think the luthier mentioned that if the nut didn't fix the problem, then maybe it could be the wrap around bridge and that we should try cutting out small marks in the bridge for the strings to settle into, almost like a nut. Dunno if that sounds reasonable?
A G-Force will help that out, quite a bit. :hmm:
 

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I dunno. I think the whole guitar felt kinda cheap to be honest. I see why people want these because they look absolutely amazing and there are few guitars as classic as the junior. The P90 is a great sounding pickup too...but this felt more like a chinese copy. Maybe it was lol.
 

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solve the problem. Your answer to dump it is not helpful. He needs to learn how to solve problems, not to go from one to another.
And Gibsons are not known for tuning issues. I've been playing them some 50 years with pretty good luck..and you?..
I've got pretty good pitch and play my guitars. Whether you have 50 or 250 guitars is irrelevant if you're going out of tune doesnt bother you, or you hardly play.
hope that helps.
 

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To be honest I hear people complain about this quite a lot when it comes to Gibson, more so than Fender, so maybe there is some truth behind this? But I have no idea really. All I can say though is that I tried this one Gibson and it had terrible tuning problems. I used to have an Epiphone Slash Sig and I can't remember having any tuning issues with that one either.
i read that here quite often also. i thought the reason that gibson went to new bridge, new saddles, new brass nut and g tune this year was because of complaints of tuning instability?
in terms of personal experience, the 2 les pauls i have stay in tune generally as well as any other guitar i have owned.
 

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i read that here quite often also. i thought the reason that gibson went to new bridge, new saddles, new brass nut and g tune this year was because of complaints of tuning instability?
in terms of personal experience, the 2 les pauls i have stay in tune generally as well as any other guitar i have owned.
yeah if tuning wasn't an issue with Gibsons they wouldn't have redesigned a perfectly good guitar , added toy tuners and a brass nut. Of the 7 Gibsons I have owned 1 had no tuning issues right out of the box. The others had nut binding issues with the G and B strings which caused the strings to go sharp. The problem was fixed by widening the nut slots. Lubing my nuts didn't help.:shock:
 

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i read that here quite often also. i thought the reason that gibson went to new bridge, new saddles, new brass nut and g tune this year was because of complaints of tuning instability?
in terms of personal experience, the 2 les pauls i have stay in tune generally as well as any other guitar i have owned.
My 7 DC's and LP's have all suffered at some stage from tuning instability. I've tried different nuts, guitar techs, top wrapping, graphite this and that, specialised nut lubricants. All temporary fixes. After a while they'd go out and back on the merry go round we go.
The only fix was to move it on when it started pissing me off.

I've had Kramers, Jacksons and Ibanez's with dodgy FR's that would hold tune with the craziest of neck bends and stick whines better than my Gibsons.

Maybe I play mine pretty hard. :hmm:
 

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You can try getting a pencil and marking up the nut slot. If that doesn't fix it?

dump it.
 

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i read that here quite often also. i thought the reason that gibson went to new bridge, new saddles, new brass nut and g tune this year was because of complaints of tuning instability?
in terms of personal experience, the 2 les pauls i have stay in tune generally as well as any other guitar i have owned.
and it ony took them 60 years to respond to all those complaints? :laugh2:

gibsons dont have tuning stability issues - they sometimes have intonation issues especially on the g string and especially on wraparound bridges, and frequently have poorly cut nuts.
 

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Guys, I think we can exclude the nut, as well as stringing technique, because as I mentioned, my junior was fitted with a new graptech nut by a professional luthier and also my guitar was strung by three different people, including the luthier and the problem still wouldn't go away. I believe my post about that should still be here somewhere. I thought the problem was solved, but it turned out after a while that it wasn't. Very disappointing.

Either way, this kind of threw me off and I'm not sure if I'll ever go Gibson again. I've always been a Fender person but I couldn't resist the junior because it's such a classic punk rock guitar (the special is amazing too). Believe me, I reeeeeeally wanted to love it. I put it up for sale like 4 times but didn't let go of it until now.

There were several issues I had with it and besides the tuning instability that was the worst and that ultimately left me no choice but to sell it was that I felt the intonation was problematic and when strumming chords it sounded almost like it was always slightly out of tune despite being in tune. Another thing that I never got used to was how it felt when sitting down playing. That's certainly not a quality issue and a matter of preference, but I always felt as if it was going to tip over.

I guess it's not for me. I might be willing to try it again some day because I really think the junior looks so cool and it does sound amazing when everything is just right.

But I will probably have to wait because the 2015 line don't look too tempting to me to be honest.
 

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in before the buyer has no idea what this dude is talking about and is sitting with the guitar right now completely in tune...
 

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in before the buyer has no idea what this dude is talking about and is sitting with the guitar right now completely in tune...
Are you refering to me? In that case, well I certainly hope so. That would make me perfectly happy for the buyer.
 

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Most Juniors prefer a wound G string to get the intonation right - or as right as a junior gets. The '11's have the lighting bar tailpiece. It should be pretty easy to dial in. Don't get rid of it. They're monsters when you get the setup right.
Thanks for the heads up. I just got an '11 and I hope I don't encounter the same issues/ problems with mine, as this gentleman did. I don't think my buddy would've sent me a "lemon" guitar. So far, my LPJ has been amazing and plays so easy. Then again, I just started playing, so I have no idea what the future holds in terms of the same issues and so forth down the road.

But I do love my LPJ. Hope I don't have to worry about mine doing this now.
 

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You have an lpj which has a nashville bridge. This is all about a junior with wraparound - have a Google and you'll see the difference. A "j" and a junior aren't the same thing - thank Gibson for keeping it all so simple :thumb:
 

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I wish Gibson would release the Billie Joe signature juniors again...still, I could live without his signature on it but those juniors seem to be of better quality than the cheaper USA released in 2009-2013 or am I wrong? The 2011 junior I had didn't seem like the best built guitar to me. The Fender MIM's I own seem lightyears better in quality. What's the point with having "Made in USA" on them if they are worse than Mexican built guitars? I know this will offend some people but it had to be said. That's just my own opinion anyways.

Not saying Fender is a better guitar than Gibson, that's a pointless debate but I did expect a lot more from Gibson. This was my first one and it was such a let down. It would be wrong of me to pass judgment after just one guitar though, I do understand that.
 

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You have an lpj which has a nashville bridge. This is all about a junior with wraparound - have a Google and you'll see the difference. A "j" and a junior aren't the same thing - thank Gibson for keeping it all so simple :thumb:
Was this for me?

I wish Gibson would release the Billie Joe signature juniors again...still, I could live without his signature on it but those juniors seem to be of better quality than the cheaper USA released in 2009-2013 or am I wrong? The 2011 junior I had didn't seem like the best built guitar to me. The Fender MIM's I own seem lightyears better in quality. What's the point with having "Made in USA" on them if they are worse than Mexican built guitars? I know this will offend some people but it had to be said. That's just my own opinion anyways.
I don't know everything there is to know as far as build quality for my new LPJ, nor do I know a lot. But so far, it's made very well to me IMO. No issues so far. Like I've said before, mine is so easy to play and looks bad ass. It's certainly fun to play it. One of my buddies is jealous of it, and says "Man, this is one sweet lady".
 


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