States with fewer gun laws rank among most violent

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Sometimes when you guys disagree with somebody, you label them communist and offer airfare to move. Now, I'm not a communist, and I'd rather not move, being a patriot and all, but


Do me a favor, when you get yer way, and we're stuck living in a psychotic police state with armed guards everywhere, er, if it's not too late, hook me up, so I can move somewhere peaceful and free


The thought of raising children in an armed school environment repulses me

Guns have been around America since the beginning...hell, before the 1930s, you could mail order a Tommy Gun. Kids, myself included, used to be free range with guns.

Obviously it's not the guns or the access to guns that's the problem. Something else, or some other things have changed. Why focus on the tool and not the tool users? If we're going to create new laws AND we want those laws to have some positive effects AND we want our children to be safe, why not have a real debate and some real studies to look for the real underlying problem/problems?

The idea of adding more laws to the existing 22k + laws on the books doesn't make sense to me. YMMV.
 

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Guns have been around America since the beginning...hell, before the 1930s, you could mail order a Tommy Gun. Kids, myself included, used to be free range with guns.

Obviously it's not the guns or the access to guns that's the problem. Something else, or some other things have changed. Why focus on the tool and not the tool users? If we're going to create new laws AND we want those laws to have some positive effects AND we want our children to be safe, why not have a real debate and some real studies to look for the real underlying problem/problems?

The idea of adding more laws to the existing 22k + laws on the books doesn't make sense to me. YMMV.

People kill other people with guns and knives and hatchets and rocks and hands and feet and baseball bats and cars and rat poison and dynamite and chainsaws and hammers and frozen legs of lamb. What's the common denominator? People. Any laws they make that effectively keep bad people away from good people are fine with me. In the meantime stop trying to take away my right to protects self from the bad people.
 

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" Something else, or some other things have changed. Why focus on the tool and not the tool users? If we're going to create new laws AND we want those laws to have some positive effects AND we want our children to be safe, why not have a real debate and some real studies to look for the real underlying problem/problems?"


I agree 100%


The problem to me is that the underlying problem has metastasized, beneath our noses, and has been for some time. Limiting access to guns can help curtail future outbreaks until we are capable of getting an understanding and grasp on the overall problem

I'm not anti gun, just pro gun control. Obviously I want existing laws enforced across the board, but I want universal background checks as well. Close the gun show loophole, and figure out a way to deal with straw purchases.

Wayne LaPierre agreed with me on background checks, back in the 90s, anyway. What changed?

Why would any responsible gun owner have a problem with this?
 

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The laws to prevent the Sandy Hook, VA Tech, Aurora, and Giffords shootings are already on the books. Due to several reasons, the existing laws weren't followed and no law on the books now, or proposed by the dems, could have prevented Lanza from getting access to his mother's guns. Only his mother could have done that. Why not focus on improving enforcement of the existing laws before we add more that may or may not be enforced and probably won't prevent such shootings?

Collective punishment isn't right and punishing or burdening law abiding citizens on the off chance that it might help, doesn't seem like a good investment in time or money.
 

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So, you didn't read what I wrote?:laugh2:



I guess we just disagree, like how we have, and how we'll likely disagree forever




(We'll always have Jeff Buckley:laugh2: Seriously, good pick:thumb:)
 

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Sometimes when you guys disagree with somebody, you label them communist and offer airfare to move. Now, I'm not a communist, and I'd rather not move, being a patriot and all, but


Do me a favor, when you get yer way, and we're stuck living in a psychotic police state with armed guards everywhere, er, if it's not too late, hook me up, so I can move somewhere peaceful and free


The thought of raising children in an armed school environment repulses me

There's Mexico. Guns are pretty much non-grata down there.

Unfortunately, lawful behavior is pretty much out the window as well.

But they do have hookers in the bars.
 

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So, you didn't read what I wrote?:laugh2:



I guess we just disagree, like how we have, and how we'll likely disagree forever




(We'll always have Jeff Buckley:laugh2: Seriously, good pick:thumb:)

I read every word of it. How would universal background checks have prevented the recent mass shootings? How would closing the "gun show loophole" have prevented the evil? Lanza didn't buy his guns. The Giffords shooter, the Aurora shooter and the VA Tech shooter weren't supposed to be able to buy their guns because of their run ins with mental health workers and/or school authorities. The current laws weren't followed...how will new laws help?

We don't have to disagree...you could just knuckle under to my argument and get on board.:thumb:
 

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You mean the NRA was lying to us all along? :laugh2:


States with fewer gun laws rank among most violent, study finds

Posted: Friday, April 5, 2013 12:00 am

Bloomberg News

WASHINGTON — States with the least-restrictive gun laws are among those with the highest rates of firearm-related violence such as homicides, suicides and assaults, according to a study.

Eight of the 10 states with the fewest gun control laws, including Louisiana, Arizona, Mississippi, Montana and Oklahoma, are among the 25 with the highest rates of violence, according to a study by the Center for American Progress, a Washington-based group that favors tougher weapons curbs. Those with the strictest, including New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, were among the least violent, according to a ranking based on 10 criteria.


The study is the second in the past month to suggest that stricter gun laws can improve public safety as Congress and states debate whether to impose more hurdles to firearm ownership after the December massacre in Newtown, Conn. An article published by the American Medical Association in March found lower rates of gun-related homicides and suicides in states with the most firearm laws.

Crock of Crap....
I think they left out a few states in that study if I'm not mistaken.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_04.html - Per Region
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_20.html - Per State by weapons

2006
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_04.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_20.html

2007
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_04.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_20.html


2008
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_04.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_20.html

2009
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_04.html - Per Region
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_20.html - Per State by weapons

2010
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl04.xls
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl20.xls

2011
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-4
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20

Go through the FBI data and find out which states are the highest in "GUN" murders. Or Murders.. You will see CA, IL, MI, MD, TX, and NY are in the top 10.. Some of these states do not have "strict" gun laws. Also Statically gun deaths are on the decline. The ones with the highest murder rate its not because of gun laws or lack of gun laws. It's other factors. For example MI = Detroit.. you have a once thriving city and now it's went to hell in a hand basket. You have CA, TX, and AZ, border states gangs and drugs.. LA, Chicago, and NYC gangs, drugs, and high rollers. MD is just screwed up :)
 

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depends who you ask [from the OP] for those that ignored this bit


"An article published by the American Medical Association in March found lower rates of gun-related homicides and suicides in states with the most firearm laws."
 

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There's Mexico. Guns are pretty much non-grata down there.

Unfortunately, lawful behavior is pretty much out the window as well.

But they do have hookers in the bars.

I'm told they have a shit-pot of blow, too.

But you'll have to ask KSG about that. :naughty:
 

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I'm not anti gun, just pro gun control. Obviously I want existing laws enforced across the board, but I want universal background checks as well. Close the gun show loophole, and figure out a way to deal with straw purchases.

Why would any responsible gun owner have a problem with this?


Help me to understand that statement...contradiction, irony?

You been drinking? :laugh2:
 

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Sometimes when you guys disagree with somebody, you label them communist and offer airfare to move. Now, I'm not a communist, and I'd rather not move, being a patriot and all, but


Do me a favor, when you get yer way, and we're stuck living in a psychotic police state with armed guards everywhere, er, if it's not too late, hook me up, so I can move somewhere peaceful and free


The thought of raising children in an armed school environment repulses me
Poncho don't be silly. No one would actually pay your ticket, they want you to pay for yourself. :laugh2:

I think you miss the idea by a mile. We want our gun rights so that you don't have to live in a psychotic police state.
 

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I'm not anti gun, just pro gun control. Obviously I want existing laws enforced across the board, but I want universal background checks as well.

Why would any responsible gun owner have a problem with this?

I'm sure that this will get shot full of holes so to speak for being a conservative rag but give it a read, watch the video and listen to the clip at the bottom anyway. I have been all about this very problem for awhile now.

ETA -Might help to have the link huh?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ork-state-heres-the-justification-being-used/
 

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3875 gun threads on the first page...

*le sigh*
 

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