SRV - Master or Epigone?

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Hello!

I know that even daring to pose this question is a form of heresy for many guitar players. But: is SRV really the great player, the best blues/rock player of the post-Hendrix era and the legend many people consider him to be? I have to admit that it is fascinating to hear him improvising, especially on his live recordings, but I also have to tell that I have many doubts regarding his paying.

I mean: almost everything he played has been played before: Texas Flood sounds remarkably similar to Albert King's playing, Scuttle Buttin sounds like Lonnie Mack, much of his slow blues stuff sounds similar to Buddy Guy, his shuffles sound often like Freddie King on steroids, etc.

I mean It's certainly ok to have influences and to gain inspiration from other players, but getting inspired by others doesn't mean that you copy other people's playing almost note by note. Let me give you an example: Peter Green was heavily influenced by Elmore and BB, but he forged a style that was unique and instantly recognisable. The same goes for EC or Jeff Beck. To me, SRV's solos often sound like Albert King/Hendrix/Freddie King, etc. solos played by a fantastic guitar player, not like music played by the man who invented it himself. He didn't really forge his own style, but rather assembled an ecclectic mix of traditional blues stuff. One time I had the chance of discussion this phenomenon with an african-american blues player here in Europe. He just said: I'm not a SRV fan. SRV played Albert King, not SRV.

And there's the problem of the large footsteps Stevie left behind him: sometimes I have the impression that young blues players' only goal is to sound similar to SRV. His influence is almost shocking, and his legacy often overshadows other players like Gary Moore or Walter Trout, who were just as good as him, often even better from a technical point of view.
 

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Hello!

I know that even daring to pose this question is a form of heresy for many guitar players. But: is SRV really the great player, the best blues/rock player of the post-Hendrix era and the legend many people consider him to be? I have to admit that it is fascinating to hear him improvising, especially on his live recordings, but I also have to tell that I have many doubts regarding his paying.

I mean: almost everything he played has been played before: Texas Flood sounds remarkably similar to Albert King's playing, Scuttle Buttin sounds like Lonnie Mack, much of his slow blues stuff sounds similar to Buddy Guy, his shuffles sound often like Freddie King on steroids, etc.

I mean It's certainly ok to have influences and to gain inspiration from other players, but getting inspired by others doesn't mean that you copy other people's playing almost note by note. Let me give you an example: Peter Green was heavily influenced by Elmore and BB, but he forged a style that was unique and instantly recognisable. The same goes for EC or Jeff Beck. To me, SRV's solos often sound like Albert King/Hendrix/Freddie King, etc. solos played by a fantastic guitar player, not like music played by the man who invented it himself. He didn't really forge his own style, but rather assembled an ecclectic mix of traditional blues stuff. One time I had the chance of discussion this phenomenon with an african-american blues player here in Europe. He just said: I'm not a SRV fan. SRV played Albert King, not SRV.

And there's the problem of the large footsteps Stevie left behind him: sometimes I have the impression that young blues players' only goal is to sound similar to SRV. His influence is almost shocking, and his legacy often overshadows other players like Gary Moore or Walter Trout, who were just as good as him, often even better from a technical point of view.

I agree 100%:thumb:
 

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You can't fight commercial success.
 

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Ya, go ahead and run down the guy that almost single-handedly saved the blues. You think the three Kings didn't emulate players they heard as kids? ;)

That's all I'm gonna say on the matter.

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Fender owes SRV a big debt of gratitude, if not a big bunch of money for kickstarting the sales of Strats in the late '80s/early '90s.
Stevie Ray made no bones about who his influences were. He played a lot of stuff that had obvious homages, but NO ONE played as flat out, full speed ahead as he did!
Don't be runnin' down SRV around ME!!!!
 

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However you look at it, the man had tone by the truck load. :applause:
 

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SRV was also a walking blues encyclopedia...he not only paid homage to the players that came before, but got them up on stage with him.

He brought tho old guys back to the forefront, and got people interested in them.

He was a blues MASTER.
 

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I generally like his songs,some of them became bar standards.He has a style I've never heard in my limited experience...that chugging strumming while picking notes.

I suspect the same thing that turns alot of people on,is the same thing that makes me dislike watching him live,and its his playing too hard or wringing the guitar for all its bloody worth-for what is actually sustaining out of it.(hello Gary Moore etc)

Its theatrics and I'm visually tired after 2 songs. Imagine a guy going thru the motions of a tantrum,screaming but all that is coming out is a normal speaking voice.
 

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I generally like his songs,some of them became bar standards.He has a style I've never heard in my limited experience...that chugging strumming while picking notes.

I suspect the same thing that turns alot of people on,is the same thing that makes me dislike watching him live,and its his playing too hard or wringing the guitar for all its bloody worth-for what is actually sustaining out of it.(hello Gary Moore etc)

Its theatrics and I'm visually tired after 2 songs. Imagine a guy going thru the motions of a tantrum,screaming but all that is coming out is a normal speaking voice.


OOOOOOOOOK then.
 

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....Its theatrics....

No, no, no.....it's called 'heart and soul'. Stevie Ray put every ounce of himself into every note; even at Montreux in 1982, when the booing was so loud, it can be heard on the recording.
It's not theatrics, it's REAL!

Here's Stevie and bro Jimmie on the SAME GUITAR!!!!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onqzua4bRHY]YouTube - Stevie Ray Vaughan and Jimmie Vaughan - Pipeline[/ame]
 

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I generally like his songs,some of them became bar standards.He has a style I've never heard in my limited experience...that chugging strumming while picking notes.

I suspect the same thing that turns alot of people on,is the same thing that makes me dislike watching him live,and its his playing too hard or wringing the guitar for all its bloody worth-for what is actually sustaining out of it.(hello Gary Moore etc)

Its theatrics and I'm visually tired after 2 songs. Imagine a guy going thru the motions of a tantrum,screaming but all that is coming out is a normal speaking voice.

:rolleyes:
 

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Stevie Ray Vaughan will be listed in all the history books written on Rock n' Roll. SRV will always be remembered with reverence by his peers who knew him & fans who were lucky enough to have seen him. He will be often imitated, but never duplicated.

I was lucky enough to see him play Milwaukee's Summerfest in 1984, and crushed to read about his death just outside my home town six years later.
 

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I mean: almost everything he played has been played before: Texas Flood sounds remarkably similar to Albert King's playing, Scuttle Buttin sounds like Lonnie Mack, much of his slow blues stuff sounds similar to Buddy Guy, his shuffles sound often like Freddie King on steroids, etc.

Ok, a quick Google search will yield the guys that Albert, Lonnie, Buddy, and Freddie copied note for note. Ask any guitarist if they have never copied someone. I think of this as a tribute rather than plagiarism.
 

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Ok, a quick Google search will yield the guys that Albert, Lonnie, Buddy, and Freddie copied note for note. Ask any guitarist if they have never copied someone. I think of this as a tribute rather than plagiarism.
+1 and;

My understanding of the blues is ,its a type of folk music. Licks, chord progressions even social ideals are passed on to whom ever wants to, or needs to express themselves in a similar manner as the teacher. Weither that teacher is a person, or a recording, radio shows etc.
ALL BLUES players do some of the licks note for note but do add themselves in there also.
 

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