solution to the fake Gibson situation

[colchar]

Too bad about the fakes, but unfortunately it plagues pretty much any industry where there's a quick buck to be made...

According to a documentary I watched a few months ago the most counterfeited product in the world is detergent (can't remember if it was laundry, dish washing, or both).

 

[colchar]

Until the US government can convince China to enforce US copyright laws there will be no end to the knockoffs of guitars and everything else they copy and sell on the global market.

And that will never ever happen.

 

[rjshare]

The final solution to the counterfeit industry?
Ban all imports from said countries.

i'm not sure banning all imports from china would really help gibsons business interests would it? think about it...

 

[Skycries57]

Are you fvcking kidding?

Explain to me "mr smarty pants", why do folks pay thousands of dollars for "replicas" that are NOT made by the gibson co. and are supposedly made BETTER than Gibson themselves.

Does it sustain the value if you can proove it is made by Gibson, because there is a TON of replicas out there that are not made by Gibson and are worth 5-10,000 more

 

[Skycries57]

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[colchar]

Explain to me "mr smarty pants", why do folks pay thousands of dollars for "replicas" that are NOT made by the gibson co. and are supposedly made BETTER than Gibson themselves.

Does it sustain the value if you can proove it is made by Gibson, because there is a TON of replicas out there that are not made by Gibson and are worth 5-10,000 more

People paying for replicas is not relevant to the questions you asked.

I was responding to the questions below because they are pretty dumb:

Seriously, what would be considered a fake?

What would qualify it being genuine?


A fake is something not made by Gibson but that is represented as being a Gibson product.

As for what qualifies it as being genuine - being made by Gibson!

Pretty simple really.

 

[muzzbo]

Muzzbo you should be careful.

You're right. Sorry rjshare, I shouldn't have accused you of going die hard. It was uncalled for, my bad.

 

[Grey]

Can we really turn our noses up at fakes on a forum that has a Luthier's corner filled with people making "replicas" and putting Gibson on the headstock? I have nothing against those people because they're (hopefully) not making them with the intent of defrauding anyone, but this arguement is just a bit hipocritical. My problem with fakes lies in the inherent deception twords prospective buyers, there's no reason to put the Gibson name on the headstock other than for the sake of fooling someone.

You're always gonna know it's not a real Gibson, and those luthiers who justify it by saying they've "done a better job than Gibson would do" dosen't change that fact. Guitars travel, and it may wind up in the hands of someone who thinks it's the real deal and then has to find out that it's not.

 

[colchar]

Can we really turn our noses up at fakes on a forum that has a Luthier's corner filled with people making "replicas" and putting Gibson on the headstock? I have nothing against those people because they're (hopefully) not making them with the intent of defrauding anyone, but this arguement is just a bit hipocritical. My problem with fakes lies in the inherent deception twords prospective buyers, there's no reason to put the Gibson name on the headstock other than for the sake of fooling someone.

You're always gonna know it's not a real Gibson, and those luthiers who justify it by saying they've "done a better job than Gibson would do" dosen't change that fact. Guitars travel, and it may wind up in the hands of someone who thinks it's the real deal and then has to find out that it's not.

I wasn't aware that any of the luthiers here were putting 'Gibson' on the headstocks of the guitars they make. If they are, that is indeed a problem.

 

[HOT-BRIT]

gibson les paul custom

everything looks entirely real, logo is straight, nut edge is clean and the serial dates up as a usa gibson but isnt it strange that the guitar isnt stamped with a cs? If i could get a couple replies on this that would be amazing. If this thing is real i'm gonna check it out tomorrow. I have a ton more pictures than what i posted. Speedy responses! I have 7 hours before im checking this out!

Thanks for the help.

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only looked at the first photo its a fake

 

[HOT-BRIT]

I wasn't aware that any of the luthiers here were putting 'Gibson' on the headstocks of the guitars they make. If they are, that is indeed a problem.

No one put Gibson should put Gibson on the headstock of a guitar they build!
end pf story! no excuses, we all no what is rite and what is wrong!

 

[redcoats1976]

saw a fake for sale in the cayman islands last week in a pawnshop.the S in gibson wasnt right and no serial # on it...almost looked like a reworked epi but it didnt play or intonate right.some other "lucky"tourist will take it home...

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

No one but Gibson should put Gibson on the headstock of a guitar they build!
end pf story! no excuses, we all no what is rite and what is wrong!

I agree. I know the luthiers here are doing it in homage, not out of deceit, but I don't like the practice at any rate, because while the luthiers may not sell them as Gibsons, there's nothing to prevent them from getting to the market second- or third-hand.

Besides, with as much talent exhibited by the builders I've seen here, I don't understand why any of them would give credit to Gibson.

 

[HOT-BRIT]

I agree. I know the luthiers here are doing it in homage, not out of deceit, but I don't like the practice at any rate, because while the luthiers may not sell them as Gibsons, there's nothing to prevent them from getting to the market second- or third-hand./QUOTE]

agreed

 

[TheWilly17]

"And in other news today,,,,,,"

 

[McLovin]

"And in other news today,,,,,,"

we all know where you stand on the subject.

 

[TheWilly17]

we all know where you stand on the subject.

Nope actually you don't, you assume you do, you just enjoy tar and feathering anyone that won't share your opinion. I totally respect your belief on this issue, I share it to a certain extent. I expect another well thought out insult from you, take care my friend.

 

[McLovin]

..... I expect another well thought out insult from you, take care my friend.

now that is sarcasm. My insult was neither to the level of "tar and feathering" nor was it well thought out. It actually wasn't intended as an insult at all, just an observation. I apologize if I misinterpreted your stance on counterfeit Gibson's. Your previous posts on this subject lead me to assume you approve of buying and owning a fake Gibson. While I wouldn't own one, it's free country and you can do what you want. I have just seen way to many of these things end up being sold as the real thing. And more often than not the poor schmuck comes on here proudly showing off his new Gibson only to be told he bought a Chinese fake.

 

[colchar]

My solution is to only buy new. I know that isn't for everyone but it does offer me some assurance. Plus, if I ever decide to sell I can get a copy of the original purchase receipt from the store to prove to potential buyers that my guitar is legit.

 

[HOT-BRIT]

now that is sarcasm. my insult was neither to the level of "tar and feathering" nor was it well thought out. It actually wasn't intended as an insult at all, just an observation. I apologize if i misinterpreted your stance on counterfeit gibson's. Your previous posts on this subject lead me to assume you approve of buying and owning a fake gibson. While i wouldn't own one, it's free country and you can do what you want. I have just seen way to many of these things end up being sold as the real thing. And more often than not the poor schmuck comes on here proudly showing off his new gibson only to be told he bought a chinese fake.

we all know what is rite and what is wrong! The problem is some people don't mind crossing the line and doing wrong thing if they think it will be advantages for them