Scott, let's just assume that you're 100% correct about mass affecting tone. You've got a video where Johann clamps 10 pounds of wood to a guitar's body (about 4.5 kilograms of mass); approximately what do you think the difference in mass is between a Grover and Kluson tuner?
It's not so much about the mass difference between a Kluson and a Grover, as it is WHERE that mass is located. If you add an ounce of weight to the body I seriously doubt that most people could hear the difference. But add that mass to the end of a long lever, say a guitar neck at the headstock, and suddenly that once of weight difference will have a substantially greater affect....approximately what do you think the difference in mass is between a Grover and Kluson tuner?
Have you read the article by Page on why he changed his tuners on his LP ?So I installed some Grovers on my ol’ beater of a Les Paul and I have to say the tonal improvement with regard to response, sustain and note to note balance across the fretboard is not subtle. The guitar as a whole feels more alive and vibrant.
I know there is a simplistic view that added weight at the end of the headstock deadens the response but this is completely contrary to basic physics. Even acoustic guitar makers know that proper bracing is crucial to enhancing and tuning tonal response.
Prior to the Grovers, The guitar was tonally a bit “unfocused”. The lighter kluson tuners allowed the resonances to either cancel out or dissipate creating a somewhat muddled response plugged in despite the guitar being acoustically quite loud. The Grovers have not lessened the resonances as the guitar still rings out loudly acoustically. However that muddledness when plugged in is gone. Now the guitar has greater definition and punch with plenty of sweet overtones and harmonics that a great Les Paul is able to deliver.
I do think to Grover or not to Grover maybe guitar dependent. Some guitars have a compact and very strong fundamental tone that would be better served with klusons. But acoustically loud Les Pauls especially those that seem to have a tonal response that a little more prominent in the lower mids might very well benefit from them.
I also like the looks, has that old school rock n roll vibe
I take this as a joke .. so you say the new tuners changed the tone ,,, of your LP?!
That's a good one.
It’s amazing how being completely unfamiliar with just some basic principles of physics can make reasonable statements seem like utter hilarity.
Have you read the article by Page on why he changed his tuners on his LP ?
Even worse are those that THINK that they understand basic physics, but are unwilling to perform a test to prove out their ridiculous theories. They try to debunk real world tests with theory. Theory needs to conform to the data, not the other way around, otherwise your theory is bogus.