side by side comparison Chibson vs Gibson

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In that scenario you are suggesting that both are right, or both are wrong. You can't say robbing a bank in one scenario is right, and one is wrong. Im suggesting that if one is right then both are right, but others see one as right and one as wrong, and Im asking why.

Many are also suggesting that what makes it right or wrong is determined by the motive of the person selling the guitar. That me agreeing to buy a replica guitar from China is wrong because they are trying to pass them off as real, whereas buying a replica guitar from a skilled luthier for nostalgia purposes is ok because they both know the guitar isn't real.

if it makes you happy i'll say say that all replicas are fakes and then you dont have any defence whatsoever.

you are nitpicking a barely relavent point to try and justify something that is wrong. you have had a fake guitar made to order and then imported it into the country. not only is it morally wrong but it is illegal.

"because he did it too" doesnt work when you are in kindergarden and it certainly isnt going to work now. like i said, you could have had the same seller make you the same guitar but not put gibson on the headstck and all would have been golden. as it is you have an illegal fake.
 

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Legally, yes. Both copyright infringements and technically forgeries.

That wasn't the argument here though, it was about quality. You can't justify buying a chinese fake based on someone else's 10k replica. You could write anything you like on a chibson headstock and I'd still think it was a worthless POS.

No one argued quality at all. I wasn't anyway. At least you're consistent with the legal and technical arguments, I can respect that.
 

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Like I suspected, no one has addressed the 59 replica logic.

Im not trying to win any contest, I was just presenting my experience with them. They aren't the same quality as a real Gibson. But for $300 having a custom made LP that is higher quality than an Epi is nice. Its a nice guitar. Thats all Im saying.

I agree with you! Getting a custom made guitar for $300. with an open book headstock would be awesome!

I'd just never have the Gibson logo on it because it's not a Gibson. That just turns a custom guitar into a 'look at me' fake.
 

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if it makes you happy i'll say say that all replicas are fakes and then you dont have any defence whatsoever.

you are nitpicking a barely relavent point to try and justify something that is wrong. you have had a fake guitar made to order and then imported it into the country. not only is it morally wrong but it is illegal.

"because he did it too" doesnt work when you are in kindergarden and it certainly isnt going to work now. like i said, you could have had the same seller make you the same guitar but not put gibson on the headstck and all would have been golden. as it is you have an illegal fake.

Fair enough. Are the "59 Replica's" - like Slash's - illegal fakes? Im checking consistency, not whether its right or wrong.
 

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Fair enough. Are the "59 Replica's" - like Slash's - illegal fakes? Im checking consistency, not whether its right or wrong.

do you mean the orignal replica of the gibson, or the gibson replica that they made of it? :laugh2:
 

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I agree with you! Getting a custom made guitar for $300. with an open book headstock would be awesome!

I'd just never have the Gibson logo on it because it's not a Gibson. That just turns a custom guitar into a 'look at me' fake.

I actually did ask him if the factory could do a custom headstock for me (with a guitar brand name I came up with), and he said they could not. A different division builds the necks with the Gibson logo they put on these guitars - they also do Fender and PRS I believe. I really don't care either way, so I was fine with it.

But maybe you see where I was coming from on the other issues.
 

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I actually did ask him if the factory could do a custom headstock for me (with a guitar brand name I came up with), and he said they could not. A different division builds the necks with the Gibson logo they put on these guitars - they also do Fender and PRS I believe. I really don't care either way, so I was fine with it.

But maybe you see where I was coming from on the other issues.


I'm still waiting for the pics of your "you can't tell" custom made guitar.
 

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if it makes you happy i'll say say that all replicas are fakes and then you dont have any defence whatsoever.

I know the Chibsons are fake. What defense do you think I have? My point, once again, is so are the Max's of the world. But why do people not have a "legal or moral" issue with that?
 

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I also would like to see the Chibsons you own as well as the real ones so post some pictures.People here like guitar porn and if it is not provided we get suspicious.
 

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I actually did ask him if the factory could do a custom headstock for me (with a guitar brand name I came up with), and he said they could not. A different division builds the necks with the Gibson logo they put on these guitars - they also do Fender and PRS I believe. I really don't care either way, so I was fine with it.

But maybe you see where I was coming from on the other issues.

Then I'd tell 'em to sand it off and repaint it black and I'll toss in an extra $20.

I would not buy something that says 'Gibson' that isn't a Gibson.

If worse came to worse and I somehow unknowingly bought a fake I'd rip the logo off myself and respray it myself if I had to.

I have no problems playing "inferior guitars" and have gigged Epis and Squiers with no problem.

But I'd never gig a fake.

Pride, self respect, yadda yadda yadda.

I deliver an honest product and I do it with honest tools.



...plus it's not as if Gibson doesn't make what you wanted...

 

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Max had quality standards.

The goal of making a counterfeit Gibson, is to do it as cheaply as possible. They are also made for the purpose of tricking people into buying something that isn't real, when they think they're getting the real thing (if they're that stupid, or naive).

To compare a Max to a Chibson is ridiculous.
 

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I know the Chibsons are fake. What defense do you think I have? My point, once again, is so are the Max's of the world. But why do people not have a "legal or moral" issue with that?

some people do have moral and legal issues with it.
 

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Max had quality standards.

The goal of making a counterfeit Gibson, is to do it as cheaply as possible. They are also made for the purpose of tricking people into buying something that isn't real, when they think they're getting the real thing (if they're that stupid, or naive).

To compare a Max to a Chibson is ridiculous.


Is a Max illegal and immoral? I said nothing about quality. The Max's are clearly incredible guitars. But most people argue against the Chibsons based on the fact that they have the fake Gibson logo, therefore it is (and I quote) illegal and immoral. Well so do the Max's, but no ones calling Slash immoral. Thats all I was saying. Like 100 times.
 

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...plus it's not as if Gibson doesn't make what you wanted...

No mine is the antique/faded Pelham blue... :)

They used pics of Gibsons to come up with the color paint, which they showed me for my approval before they painted it.
 

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No mine is the antique/faded Pelham blue... :)

They used pics of Gibsons to come up with the color paint, which they showed me for my approval before they painted it.

Oh well hey, that totally justifies it then. :rolleyes:

You commissioned 2 counterfeit guitars and imported them into the country. :laugh2:

That alone is ridiculous.

Did you tell them, "get that word off the headstock or I'm canceling my order!"

I bet you they'd have done it in a heartbeat.

Just admit it, you wanted the Gibson logo on your fake guitar. :laugh2:

You wanted and needed that word to be there. You'd rather play a fake Gibson then a real Epiphone.

You could have had http://www.unsung.co.kr/ build you whatever guitars you want just as cheap, and they wouldn't be fakes.
 

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Is a Max illegal and immoral? I said nothing about quality. The Max's are clearly incredible guitars. But most people argue against the Chibsons based on the fact that they have the fake Gibson logo, therefore it is (and I quote) illegal and immoral. Well so do the Max's, but no ones calling Slash immoral. Thats all I was saying. Like 100 times.

I know this is hard to grasp, but this isn't what the thread was about. Both are technically illegal copies same as when you burn a DVD for your mate. Immoral? Personally, I'd say only when you try to profit or misrepresent your copy as the real thing - with a Max selling it as a genuine burst and with a chibson selling it as a guitar.

And Slash gets called all sorts of things, but I don't think he cares anyway.
 

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