Should I buy it?

lewita

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Hi thete gang! First of all, I don't know if this is the right place for this, if it isn't, I'm sorry, I didn't know where else to post it.
I've been offered this wrecked 1957 Gibson Es175d. The seller says it's all orginal, but I know just by looking at the pictures that at least the tuners and truss rod cover aren't. To make things worst, I spent a week trying to get him to take the pickups out and send me a picture of the bottoms. I even sent him a video telling him exactly how to do it. He was reluctant at first, and when he finally agreed, he sent me pictures of the wiring harness, but not the pickups. My idea was to get a fun project to do , and if everything failed, maybe sell the harness.I've fixed a couple acoustics and archtops in the past, nothing to this extent of destruction. I live 2000km away from where the seller is, and I can only contact him through whatsapp, he doesn't know anything about guitars, but is asking U$1500 for this...what do you guys think? is it worth it??




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I wouldn't buy it unless it's 10 bucks (too many issues to fix). It looks like it was submerged in water for a long time.
 
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It'd have PAF pickups if they're original. Although the pickup in the picture is not photographed under perfect conditions, the patina on all the wiring and solder joints appear to be untouched and thus probably original.

The pickups alone would be worth 1500 if they're original PAFs. The guitar itself....that looks like water damage on the sides and I think the wood has shrunken to the point that restoring the original geometry with the original sides is unlikely to be possible. Feel like making a new set of sides for it?

I'd pass unless I was confident that the pickups were real original PAFs. They'd be worth the price.
 

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Now....WITHOUT pickups, I might offer something for the guitar but not very much. I'd love to have an ES175, I have an affection for problem children, and I'm fully capable of making a new set of sides for it and addressing any other issue. It would be a fun project to rebuild.

Keep that in mind. I'd buy the carcass if you bought it and took the pickups and electronics. At the right price.
 

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Are those his pics? That's doesn't strike me as the work bench of someone who "doesn't know anything about guitars."
no, his brother has the guitar. He apparently does know about guitars, and that's why there are more guitars on his bench. They inherited the guitar from their dad, and their mom accidentaly tripped on it a few years ago. That's all I know


It'd have PAF pickups if they're original. Although the pickup in the picture is not photographed under perfect conditions, the patina on all the wiring and solder joints appear to be untouched and thus probably original.

The pickups alone would be worth 1500 if they're original PAFs. The guitar itself....that looks like water damage on the sides and I think the wood has shrunken to the point that restoring the original geometry with the original sides is unlikely to be possible. Feel like making a new set of sides for it?

I'd pass unless I was confident that the pickups were real original PAFs. They'd be worth the price.

The pickup in the picture, although blurry,doesn't seem to have a PAF sticker. Maybe, since this is a 1957 guitar, is one of those unlabeled stainless steel covered PAF. It is true that there doesn't seem to be any solders touched, but 1500 bucks is a lot of money
 
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So get photos of the pickups, wiring, and electronics in general. If the seller wants your money he can darned well follow directions and give you some really good clear photos of those items.

The PAF stickers may be present but with that much dust on the electronics, not visible in the photo. Getting better photos is important.

If that's not water damage, but tripping damage, then the repair/restoration could be possible with a large but not heroic effort, and the original sides may be repairable.

With a good repair, the value of the guitar will be comfortably over the asking price. I'd offer a slightly lower price (1250 or so) and go for it at that price. (Leaves room for shipping costs.)

Aside from the obviously bodged output jack, the wiring appears untouched.
 

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Might want to tell him to take all the strings off. I realized that the apparent misfit of the back is because the neck is being pulled out of position by the tension oif the remaining strings. That will eventually make the repair more difficult.

Assuming no wood is missing, that should not be a difficult repair, presuming you remove the back first to do the repairs. Glue the sides back together and apply cross grained patch cauls across the breaks and put the back on properly and it should live again.
 

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Parts alone.. Worth it. -Providing they are original.

Neck set from the pictures doesn't appear bad.

I'm with cm on the repair.. Looks bad but when you get right down to it, do-able.
 

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Big splits are easy fixes. Now when dealing with a bag of splinters....not so much.

Hey, here's a pro tip that I figured out on my own about 20 years ago. You can find cracks with the ball end of a tuning fork. Strike the fork, touch the ball to the wood, slide it across the suspected crack. There will be a volume change across the crack. Also finds where bracing is. Any change to the vibrational character of the wood will show up.
 

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Tuners: double line, single ring. I expected single line single ring in '57.

Hold out for solid, verifiable proof that the pickups are PAFs. If not, walk away, unless he wants to take $150 for the complete mess.
 

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Tuners: double line, single ring. I expected single line single ring in '57.

Hold out for solid, verifiable proof that the pickups are PAFs. If not, walk away, unless he wants to take $150 for the complete mess.

tuners are definitely newer gibson tuners. It should have single line klusons.
 

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Case closed, A coleague of mine from Buenos Aires just posted it on his instagram stories. One of his buddies bought it without looking. There was one pot replaced and the tuners too. All else was original. Non sticker PAF's. He's restoring it and keeping it for him. I had my fair share of great deals on vintage guitars before, I guess you can't win them all!!
 


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