Rewiring? Why?

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GitFiddle

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This is an interesting thread, reminds me of the Harley forum. Some guys have to rip the whole thing apart and bolt on all the "hot" parts and constantly do the latest mods. Other guys are happy to leave it all stock, ride the crap out of it, and enjoy the original experience. I like my Classic just the way it is and a lot of it's appeal to me is how inexpensive it was for how nice it is. If I get to the point where my playing gets good enough that I need better tone, ( some day, please, God!) I will invest in a real Gibby!

Well, I started out as one that leaves it stock and rides the crap out of it. But that started changing after my first road trip longer than 100 miles. My hands went numb from the hard plastic stock hand grips. Those were quickly replaced with padded grips.

Then not long after the stock battery died from a bad cell, during its first season of use. That was upgraded to an Interstate battery. Then every spring, I had to rebuild the carb to stop it from leaking all my gas out at a stop sign.

Then the shifter disintegrated and the replacement was made with better materials (The original stock was discontinued for poor quality). Then the stator stopped working, causing more dead batteries. Turns out the stator somehow sliced its own wires (Its completely internal to the engine and not affected by anything on the outside of the bike).

Then the stock intake manifold rotted and started cracking (made out of rubber). The replacement was made out of aluminum since the original stock part was discontinued due to poor quality.

Then when it was time to change the brake pads, I decided to do it myself. I had to go out and buy special allen wrenches to remove the front caliper. When I moved to the rear brake, then I had to jump in the car again and buy a set of torx wrenches to remove the rear caliper (metric threads too).

After most of that, whenever I bought any Harley Screaming Eagle aftermarket parts, I discovered they were all made in Korea.

Other than all that. Pretty nice bike. :cool:

My point, even a stock production guitar out of the box, should be nice and ready to rock. Production parts and materials are not selected for their long term wear and confidence to the consumer. They are selected to provide the cheapest solution to produce the product and cut costs anywhere and everywhere.

There are many that are perfectly happy with a stock production guitar. As they should be. There is nothing in the world wrong with that. But there are many others that have discovered that they can tweak a slight bit more quality or sound out of a stock product, and notice the difference and enjoy it.

If you buy a new pickup truck:
Are you happy with the stock tires?
Do you replace the next set of tires with the exact model that came on it stock?
Are you happy with the rims?
Do you keep the same air pressure in the tires that came stock?
Do you install a bedliner to keep from scratching the shiny paint(even though the bedliner usually causes more wear than the loads hauled)?
Do you install spray-in bedliner to keep it from rusting out(which they always do)?

Stock doesn't mean the best. It means just enough to pass off the product. There is no harm in improving a stock product to make it more reliable and last longer.
 

straybeat

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Hi,

I have seen some (to not mention several!) mates talking about to rewire or even change the whole electronics of Epis before to think about to upgrade pickups.

I have played guitars for over 30 years, and I never had done it in any of my axes... but I am beginning to get puzzled with it after to see so many threads and posts about the subject.

Question is: why rewire and/or upgrade electronics? What are the direct and perceptive benefits or doing that? How better the guitar sound gets????

Thanks!

It's just like putting a hot rod motor in your car. Why bother when the factory motor gets you point A to point B just fine?
 

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Just like with so many things, different people use / want different things in different ways

I have to say that stock is fine for me, but I have a good rig to hook it up to and can shape the sound / tone in endless ways to suit
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MooCheng

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most of the stock stuff is pretty good these days,
true, a lot of the pots can be improved as they have the wrong taper,
but pickup's........its subjective, only if you like the new sound, it's better
 

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Depends on the guitar. Many of the newer Epi pups sound really good. The switch is usually the weakest link that could use replacing right away. Heck, even some of the ceramic magnet pickups in my MIM Strats sounded good.
 

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I mess with every single guitar, eventually. It's part of the hobby for me. Always searching for another tone for that guitar or just another tone in general. You should see my current HSS project. Some wild wiring only a mother(f-er) could love. My first pot/cap change was WCR stuff, and it was amazing going from stock LP standard wiring and parts to 50's wired WCR parts. That's what started it all for me. I left them stock before that and just kept buying new ones ;)
 

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Well, I started out as one that leaves it stock and rides the crap out of it. But that started changing after my first road trip longer than 100 miles. My hands went numb from the hard plastic stock hand grips. Those were quickly replaced with padded grips.

Then not long after the stock battery died from a bad cell, during its first season of use. That was upgraded to an Interstate battery. Then every spring, I had to rebuild the carb to stop it from leaking all my gas out at a stop sign.

Then the shifter disintegrated and the replacement was made with better materials (The original stock was discontinued for poor quality). Then the stator stopped working, causing more dead batteries. Turns out the stator somehow sliced its own wires (Its completely internal to the engine and not affected by anything on the outside of the bike).

Then the stock intake manifold rotted and started cracking (made out of rubber). The replacement was made out of aluminum since the original stock part was discontinued due to poor quality.

Then when it was time to change the brake pads, I decided to do it myself. I had to go out and buy special allen wrenches to remove the front caliper. When I moved to the rear brake, then I had to jump in the car again and buy a set of torx wrenches to remove the rear caliper (metric threads too).

After most of that, whenever I bought any Harley Screaming Eagle aftermarket parts, I discovered they were all made in Korea.

Other than all that. Pretty nice bike. :cool:

My point, even a stock production guitar out of the box, should be nice and ready to rock. Production parts and materials are not selected for their long term wear and confidence to the consumer. They are selected to provide the cheapest solution to produce the product and cut costs anywhere and everywhere.

There are many that are perfectly happy with a stock production guitar. As they should be. There is nothing in the world wrong with that. But there are many others that have discovered that they can tweak a slight bit more quality or sound out of a stock product, and notice the difference and enjoy it.

If you buy a new pickup truck:
Are you happy with the stock tires?
Do you replace the next set of tires with the exact model that came on it stock?
Are you happy with the rims?
Do you keep the same air pressure in the tires that came stock?
Do you install a bedliner to keep from scratching the shiny paint(even though the bedliner usually causes more wear than the loads hauled)?
Do you install spray-in bedliner to keep it from rusting out(which they always do)?

Stock doesn't mean the best. It means just enough to pass off the product. There is no harm in improving a stock product to make it more reliable and last longer.

This man deserves so much more love than he's getting. He speaks the truth and puts it in a way that you really can't argue much with.

:thumb:
 

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i make sure to replace the toggle switch as soon as i get the chance.the stock epi are very poor and i have replaced every one in all my epis and the ones i used to own
 

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