Reverse Firebird pdf plans

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Hi has anyone got proper full size reverse Firebird through neck pdf plans they could send me please or i can download

I want a plan that shows the control cavity and backplate routes too

It's so i can have templates made up in the UK

Thanks Darren
 

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Yeah - I sent Darren the drawings I made and all the pdf Firebird drawings I found on the internet. Mine are CAD plans so if there is anything you need adjusted just let me know.

The vintage Firebirds, I III V and VII, I think, were all built starting in 1963 and they were neck through and should have been constructed much like what I have shown in my drawings. They had that weird join condition for the wings that was about a 35 degree pocket and matching shape on the tapered wings.

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I have a 5 piece laminated neck through construction. I believe the originals had a 9 piece with thin pieces of walnut added to the mahogany skunk stripe. I think I heard the first run of these guitars used a solid piece of mahogany for the neckthrough but had neck break issues and they started using the 9 piece laminate. I also do not think this lasted very long. I'm going from memory here but I think they had a law suit regarding the body shape, so that's why they went with the non-reverse body design and also went with a set neck version. Any insight / confirmation on this would be appreciated.

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To me it looked like 1/4" skunk stripe of mahogany with a piece of 1/8" walnut on each side. I have a build thread on here where someone had measured their re-issue, I believe, and they measured a little thinner. I would still be interested in confirming the width of the vintage builds.

Here are the dimensions I used for the neckthrough laminate. I think if you add 1/8" to each side of the 1/4" pieces you'd be pretty close to vintage accurate.

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Cheers Peter.
 
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Thanks Peter, I'm doing a 9ply mahogany walnut through neck but I'm not slavishly following vintage spec, i want something that looks like a Firebird, I'm also using a 2 way truss rod and body joins will be butt joints, it'll be nice to get this off the to build list

I've got to see if i can get the templates made first, we've got nothing over here
 

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Thanks Peter, I'm doing a 9ply mahogany walnut through neck but I'm not slavishly following vintage spec, i want something that looks like a Firebird, I'm also using a 2 way truss rod and body joins will be butt joints, it'll be nice to get this off the to build list

I've got to see if i can get the templates made first, we've got nothing over here
That's cool. I'd like to build another one just to see if I can do a vintage spec one as I am kind of hooked on the vintage finish checking at the moment. I also have lots of walnut, although this guitar uses very little. I can get inexpensive mahogany in those widths as well. I just like laminated guitars for some reason.

I also bought that expensive bit and might as well use it twice! LOL
If you want to do the angled wing join, here is the bit I purchased. It did work very well.
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Cheers Peter.
 

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Dropped a PM on you; I've got a Firebird on the to-do list, and having a set of plans would be a big assist. Thanks!
 

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Documents sent. Make sure you create a build thread. :thumb:

Cheers Peter.
 

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Documents sent. Make sure you create a build thread. :thumb:

Cheers Peter.
Well I sent plans to a CNC guy to get templates made and it's off by quite a way so I need measurements to give him, the body came up maybe 50mm to short lol, nice size for a non replica
 

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Well I sent plans to a CNC guy to get templates made and it's off by quite a way so I need measurements to give him, the body came up maybe 50mm to short lol, nice size for a non replica
Which plans did you send him? These were printed from AutoCAD 1:1. I just checked the pdf file of the image I posted above and it is the correct size. The center section is exactly 4" (101.6mm).

Cheers Peter.
 

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Which plans did you send him? These were printed from AutoCAD 1:1. I just checked the pdf file of the image I posted above and it is the correct size. The center section is exactly 4" (101.6mm).

Cheers Peter.
Thanks Peter, I'll send him that one, I think I sent him one in 3 sections because that's how I want the templates, I'll forward your message too

Cheers Darren
 

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Ideally you want someone who can take a CAD file and pull it apart and get you just the pieces you need. I sent you a DXF file, which can be opened and modified in CAD and is hard to get the scale wrong.

Cheers Peter.
 


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