Really???? please post your thoughts

[jamman]

I just ran across this on fleecebay ....


Take a look . I'm guessing things are so slow and some are so desperate for a sale .They'd say anything .....

This is why Ebay buyers need to be careful and Know what they are buying ,BEFORE they purchase


Gibson Custom Shop True Historic '54 Reissue Les Paul 2015 | eBay

 

[bossaddict]

Interesting... Looks like it's a HS as opposed to a TH.

Apparently it talks also...
"THIS GUITAR SOUNDS INCREDIBLE... <snip>... IT IS UNPLAYED"

 

[indravayu]

Report it.

 

[jenton70]

Seems legit. Historically accurate top color. Historically accurate switch cavity cover. Tuners to spec. No COA I'm sure but neither did the originals, amirite??

 

[dwk302]

 

[freebyrd 69]

The guy is local and I spoke with him. It's all legit. He has all tags and C.O.A., and knows all the right people. I know of two CS shop dealers that know this guy. The serial number is HS 050020.

I talked with the guy for about 1/2 hr.. Nothing to "report" about this listing.

Now, I'm not familiar with the "HS" serial number. Would that have TH specs? He had no hesitation giving me the serial number and telling me to call Gibson to verify.

I did point out his conflicting statement of "unplayed" and "it sounds great".

Overall nice guy, and knows his stuff. Offered me a fairly decent "off ebay" price on the guitar too.

 

[bossaddict]

The guy is local and I spoke with him. It's all legit. He has all tags and C.O.A., and knows all the right people. I know of two CS shop dealers that know this guy. The serial number is HS 050020.

I talked with the guy for about 1/2 hr.. Nothing to "report" about this listing.

Now, I'm not familiar with the "HS" serial number. Would that have TH specs? He had no hesitation giving me the serial number and telling me to call Gibson to verify.

I did point out his conflicting statement of "unplayed" and "it sounds great".

Overall nice guy, and knows his stuff. Offered me a fairly decent "off ebay" price on the guitar too.

Pretty much what I thought about it being a legit HS. I think he should remove any mention of True Historic, though. Not the same thing unless I'm mistaken.

 

[tubes10s]

It should not say True Historic. True Historic and Historic Select are two different things.

I looked around to see if I could find any good info... Looks like the format of the serial number and the COA may be the only difference between a TH and an HS.

Still two different things though when advertising for sale.

 

[rich85]

What is historic select

 

[freebyrd 69]

It should not say True Historic. True Historic and Historic Select are two different things.

I looked around to see if I could find any good info... Looks like the format of the serial number and the COA may be the only difference between a TH and an HS.

Still two different things though when advertising for sale.

From what I remember (which could be completely wrong...someone chime in), the only guitars designated "TH" were the Reissues. The HS would have the same specs as far as tennon/materials, it's just not a "Reissue". If that's the case, the guitar would have the same specs as a TH. While I will agree he probably shouldn't advertise it AS a TH, if the specs are the same, what's the difference.....a technicality if you will.

I don't know this guy. His phone number was in the ad, and it is local, so I called him. He seemed like a straight shooter to me, and knew his sh!t.

 

[KBMelb]

I'll take two!

 

[LysanderSky]

Not the seller's fault but it does look cheap. What were they (Gibson) thinking?

 

[tspoon5150]

Enter at your own risk. That is not a TH. That is a short Tenon.

The TH should be removed from that listing and for the seller, please
describe the guitar accurately. It is kinda represented wrong.
Most will know the difference, but someone will be disappointed after the sale
when that person finds out after the fact.

I am not trying to slam the seller, but come on.

All sales are final and no return?

 

[Sct13]

Man I wish I worked at the Custom Shop....I got ideas for some interesting guitars....

Blue Sparkle!

 

[indravayu]

The guy is local and I spoke with him. It's all legit. He has all tags and C.O.A., and knows all the right people. I know of two CS shop dealers that know this guy. The serial number is HS 050020.

I talked with the guy for about 1/2 hr.. Nothing to "report" about this listing.

I disagree - he has clearly labeled this as a True Historic, but while it may have similar specs as a True Historic, it is not a True Historic, thus it is a fraudulent listing (whether intention or not). The badge clearly makes it a Historic Select.

Plus, anyone who says in their ads "sounds great", but then claims the guitar is "unplayed" deserves to have their nuts run through a cheese grater.

 

[jlb32]

From what I have heard the only difference between a TH and a Historic Select is the serial number. Just a way for Gibson to make more Th's but claim they are limited and keep the serial numbers of the ones labeled TH to 4 digits.

 

[strat1701]

the finish reminds me of my dad's old, old, kent blue sparkle drum kit he had when I was really young-

(not his but the same)

As to the guitar, eh, its interesting but should not be labeled as a historic anything!

 

[jamman]

Here's what Gibson lists as the Choices of colors to pick from with a TH + The Aged ones

Vintage Cherry Sunburst
Vintage Dark Burst
Vintage Lemon Burst
Vintage Antique Gold
Vintage Ebony

Online is the individual write-ups
Categories of Gibson Guitars and Basses


If anything, the guitar (I later saw after posting the thread) The guitar has a HS switch cover back plate, which is the only thing it can be . How bout a pic of the COA ???? Blur out the # is OK ... Pictures serve as proof .... That HS pic is ??? Strange looking and Grovers don't help figure it out .....

HS is ~ the M2M program for 2015 spec'd LP's . Spec's are ~ the same ,less the paint . There is no info @Gibson for the wrap tail TH 4's .

IMO , It's disingenuous to call the guitar a TH , since it's not a TH . pretty simple .
Nothing Historic about the paint on this guitar . Not even stretching your imagination to it's limits, is blue sparkle Historic and what about that Black back ???? Historic ????... 1st 1 I've seen looking like this

It's only using the TH name as a ploy to sell the guitar to someone who doesn't know better, plain and simple . Unplayed and sounds great ???? Howd dat work ????

I thought ,if You say it's Unplayed ,,That means Nobody ever played it ,,, I guess either I'm missing something or the seller doesn't count as somebody in this world

I just saw His reply to my PM AT FleeBay , he stands by calling it a TH ,,,,

"nuts run through a cheese grater" I have more problems with this, then the seller of that guitar ,,,,That's a little much don't you think ??? it's only as guitar

 

[freebyrd 69]

Here's what Gibson lists as the Choices of colors to pick from with a TH + The Aged ones

Vintage Cherry Sunburst
Vintage Dark Burst
Vintage Lemon Burst
Vintage Antique Gold
Vintage Ebony

Online is the individual write-ups
Categories of Gibson Guitars and Basses


If anything, the guitar (I later saw after posting the thread) The guitar has a HS switch cover back plate, which is the only thing it can be . How bout a pic of the COA ???? Blur out the # is OK ... Pictures serve as proof .... That HS pic is ??? Strange looking and Grovers don't help figure it out .....

HS is ~ the M2M program for 2015 spec'd LP's . Spec's are ~ the same ,less the paint . There is no info @Gibson for the wrap tail TH 4's .

IMO , It's disingenuous to call the guitar a TH , since it's not a TH . pretty simple .
Nothing Historic about the paint on this guitar . Not even stretching your imagination to it's limits, is blue sparkle Historic and what about that Black back ???? Historic ????... 1st 1 I've seen looking like this

It's only using the TH name as a ploy to sell the guitar to someone who doesn't know better, plain and simple . Unplayed and sounds great ???? Howd dat work ????

I thought ,if You say it's Unplayed ,,That means Nobody ever played it ,,, I guess either I'm missing something or the seller doesn't count as somebody in this world

I just saw His reply to my PM AT FleeBay , he stands by calling it a TH ,,,,

"nuts run through a cheese grater" I have more problems with this, then the seller of that guitar ,,,,That's a little much don't you think ??? it's only as guitar

The Gibson PDF even lists some of the CC's as "True Historic" in the description....Nicky and Ace being two. Neither one of those two say "True Historic" anywhere on the C.O.A.. Neither one is in the realm of colors you listed above.

I talked with him, and he is changing the listing to "True Historic spec", which it is.

I have no dog in this fight, but I don't see the problem here, especially if he changes the listing to TH specs. There is no deception there.

I spent an hour on the phone last night talking with a very cool guy at Gibson customer service. He knew his stuff. Used to be a rep. Quite an insightful conversation it was. Anyway, he verified everything about the guitar, INCLUDING that it was a Historic Select with True Historic specs.

It was a dealer special order.....kind of like the one's you see at Wildwood.

The "unplayed" thing.....no guitar is "unplayed". They all get tested at the shop before leaving. He unboxed it, verified everything worked, and that's it. No big deal.

If you want to point blame, point it at Gibson with their bullsheet marketing on this stuff. If I had one of these, I would list it as a 2015 Historic Select 54 Reissue with True Historic specs.. That would match EXACTLY what Gibson would tell you if you called in to verify it.

I only know the guy from talking to him for an hour or so on the phone, but he is a straight shooter who knows his stuff. An overall nice guy. He changed the listing too.

Gibson Custom Shop True Historic Spec &apos;54 Reissue Les Paul 2015 | eBay

 

[TheNice]

TH? HS? VOS? Looks more like a POS to me...