real LP or best fake ever?

Jewel the Sapphire

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 7, 2018
Messages
1,264
Reaction score
2,152
Would you happen to still have a way to find the ebay sellers information? This is off, looks like they should explain a few things..
 

Rick

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 17, 2015
Messages
949
Reaction score
1,054
Looks to me like someone taped off a stinger and polished the neck.
 

Bobby Mahogany

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 25, 2012
Messages
25,489
Reaction score
39,981
If only because of the serial number font,
there's some explaining to be given before that guitar is considered "good"
or "legit", therefore retaining the value of any "ordinary" Gibson Les Paul.

For now, it's unclear what it is so value should be affected big time.
And if there was a good explanation, it would still be de-valued
because of that repair/modification, whatever.
 

PierM

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 19, 2016
Messages
6,289
Reaction score
12,428
Imho it’s all genuine but with a re-serializing process. I never seen that font, that size, that alignment, and also too many numbers. Also looks like some fonts have been overlapped, or stamped twice with different numbers...
 

PierM

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 19, 2016
Messages
6,289
Reaction score
12,428
Also, it's impossible that this has been done at the factory. They always used a multinumeric stamp press (see the pic), while the OP one has been done one by one, probably using some typerwriter parts. This is why they are all misaligned.


 

StudioFan

Senior Member
Joined
Oct 14, 2017
Messages
666
Reaction score
954
The guitar has 9 numbers which is correct for this era.

“2005-Current- Gibson USA goes to a 9 digit serial number in early July 2005.
The sixth number is now a batch number- batch 0 starts at the beginning of the day,
and once 699 is stamped, the batch number will change to 1.
The first 5 numbers remain the same, the last 3 numbers will remain the same.
The only difference from the 1977-2005 is the addition of this batch indicator.

YDDDYBPPP
YY
is the production year
DDD is the day of the year
B is the batch number
PPP is the plant designation and/or instrument rank. “

Also it has already been stated that the traditional PRO has a flat finish on the back .
So someone taped it and buffed the neck .

Not impossible for Gibson to hand stamp a guitar with number punches .
“I’ll do this one by hand watch this “
Or something else was going on that day.
If someone had sanded it then the headstock would be noticeably thinner .
Of coarse a UV light would debunk this theory as well .

As far as value it is a real Gibson LP Traditional PRO with serial numbers and it is worth just as much as any other IMO .
 

Cjsinla

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 7, 2014
Messages
4,655
Reaction score
4,113
The guitar has 9 numbers which is correct for this era.

“2005-Current- Gibson USA goes to a 9 digit serial number in early July 2005.
The sixth number is now a batch number- batch 0 starts at the beginning of the day,
and once 699 is stamped, the batch number will change to 1.
The first 5 numbers remain the same, the last 3 numbers will remain the same.
The only difference from the 1977-2005 is the addition of this batch indicator.

YDDDYBPPP
YY
is the production year
DDD is the day of the year
B is the batch number
PPP is the plant designation and/or instrument rank. “

Also it has already been stated that the traditional PRO has a flat finish on the back .
So someone taped it and buffed the neck .

Not impossible for Gibson to hand stamp a guitar with number punches .
“I’ll do this one by hand watch this “
Or something else was going on that day.
If someone had sanded it then the headstock would be noticeably thinner .
Of coarse a UV light would debunk this theory as well .

As far as value it is a real Gibson LP Traditional PRO with serial numbers and it is worth just as much as any other IMO .
Even with refinishing done to the neck? OP should run that serial number by the folks at Gibson to see what guitar it’s associated with.
 

mudface

Boo Bee
Silver Supporting Member
Gold Supporting Member
Joined
Aug 29, 2016
Messages
9,695
Reaction score
29,782
I might wonder.....and I’m only speculating/guessing here.... if was reported stolen or destroyed then paid off as a insurance claim.... the altered serial number is to prevent it from being recognized as such and now available for additional profit. Seems ludicrous now that I’ve said it....:rofl:but....
 

StudioFan

Senior Member
Joined
Oct 14, 2017
Messages
666
Reaction score
954
Even with refinishing done to the neck? OP should run that serial number by the folks at Gibson to see what guitar it’s associated with.
What refinishing ?

How can we say it has been refinished ?

Anyway ...

This whole deal could simply be the person at Gibson using the same stamper that they use for the year stamp .

It is the same size .
 

9066LP

Banned
Joined
Oct 17, 2018
Messages
66
Reaction score
113

Never seen a "hand stamped" serial on a Gibson .... ever.

And the last time i saw something hand stamped was in high school metal shop in the 1970's.
 

HardCore Troubadour

Senior Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
10,479
Reaction score
9,909
Wasn’t hand stamped at the factory.....not the year stamp, regardless of size etc. etc.

They stamp necks in batches, there would be many and that would be caught and not allowed to leave the factory.....after all, this is not the crappy Norlin era with all of the slackers working in QC.

This has been altered....refinish, buffing, whatever, it is all the same......it did not come from the factory that way, call it what you want......this serial was not stamped at the factory....I mean, c’mon folks, damn.
 

StudioFan

Senior Member
Joined
Oct 14, 2017
Messages
666
Reaction score
954
Always some conspiracy!

Fake , Sanded Down , Stolen , Altered , Insurance Fraud , Refinished and the guitar has even been claimed to be devalued LOL !!!

You guys / gals don’t think Gibson is capable of stamping a guitar unevenly using the SAME size numbers as the date stamp ????????

Someone already posted an unevenly stamped Traditional headstock .

REAL Gibson’s are PERFECTLY made
with perfect serial numbers LOL ! Right ...

This guitar couldn’t get more real if it tried . Look at the OP’s pictures . I can tell that it’s real just by looking at the nibs and the nut and the solder job and the markings in the control cavity .
 

Jewel the Sapphire

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 7, 2018
Messages
1,264
Reaction score
2,152
Always some conspiracy!

Fake , Sanded Down , Stolen , Altered , Insurance Fraud , Refinished and the guitar has even been claimed to be devalued LOL !!!

You guys / gals don’t think Gibson is capable of stamping a guitar unevenly using the SAME size numbers as the date stamp ????????

Someone already posted an unevenly stamped Traditional headstock .

REAL Gibson’s are PERFECTLY made
with perfect serial numbers LOL ! Right ...

This guitar couldn’t get more real if it tried . Look at the OP’s pictures . I can tell that it’s real just by looking at the nibs and the nut and the solder job and the markings in the control cavity .
A faked serial number means stolen property, dont think it's a question that the guitar is authentic, its a question of why the back of the headstock and serial number appear tampered with smart one
 

HardCore Troubadour

Senior Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
10,479
Reaction score
9,909
This guitar has been de-valued bud.......and not by a small amount.

What I think is that I have seen the machine that stamps the serial numbers and it is not designed for those size numbers to stamp across the top of the guitar in the serial number position.

No one is claiming a conspiracy, but the brother asked for opinions, so he got opinions....and most of them have been spot-on.

What we are claiming is that we know a little more about this than you seem to.

Carry on.....
 

mudface

Boo Bee
Silver Supporting Member
Gold Supporting Member
Joined
Aug 29, 2016
Messages
9,695
Reaction score
29,782
Screwing around with serial numbers can really happen on a $2000 guitar.... greed is powerful for a few bucks.

Send Gibson a picture of that headstock and see if they authenticate it ......

Yup,... that simple.
 

RicOkc

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 8, 2015
Messages
291
Reaction score
176
And wouldn't a 2010 have a shielding plate on which the knobs would be mounted?
And bigger pots or Gibson labeled pots?
:dunno:
The push/pull pots are CTS, they didn't have the plate, and the pots are full size.

Looks like my Trad. Pro., same finish. No idea about the serial number.

Like the others have said, it looks like the neck had been buffed out.
 


Latest Threads



Top