R9 Upgrade with Vintage Parts (pic heavy)

Duane_the_tub

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Some of you have heard the story of how I had a deal all lined up for a 50s Les Paul husk and started amassing parts to restore it, only to have it sold out from under me. Once it fell through I was left holding some really nice vintage and repro parts. Part of me wanted to sell them all and forget the whole thing happened, but another part was really curious. I had thought a lot as I sourced the parts about what the finished guitar would feel like, play like and sound like. Of course the 60-year-old wood was where all the mojo was, right? How close could the rest of the parts possibly get me?

Among my current herd was an ideal candidate for such a project: An R9 that had supplanted many others as my keeper reissue Burst. Fantastic neck and top carves, just a really great playing and sounding LP that also doesn't hurt to look at. It's a 2018 (so all True Historic specs, not that it mattered much for the sake of this project) finished in "Red Pine Burst" VOS, 1/10 from a year-end run right in Henry's twilight with the company. Here is a baby picture from when it was new:

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The lynchpin of this project was the electronics. I have been kind of unlucky throughout my Burst journey with vintage pickups, having gone through a few sets of PAFs (at significant expense) and Patent #s that were very much underwhelming tone-wise. I swore I wasn't going down that rabbit hole again, especially after having decent luck with some of the boutique winds. My plan was to put my favorites, Stephens Design HDs, in for the meantime and possibly upgrade to PAFs later. Then, I had a stroke of luck.

The guy with the husk also had a set of early Pat # pickups, which he said came out of a very early SG that had sustained a catastrophic neck pocket fracture and was beyond salvation. He said they were really sweet sounding, low-winds (bridge just under 7.5, neck 7.3). Score.

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The harness didn't come cheap. Some of you probably saw it in the classifieds here, and its price tag. It's not every day you get your hands on a complete, unmolested harness in perfect working condition with pots that date to the summer of '59, so I bit the bullet on that one.

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With the heart of the guitar lined up, I wanted to make sure the hardware wasn't going to be an Achilles heel. I was in negotiations with one of the top restoration parts dealers for a vintage, no-wire ABR but it was going to cost me big money and I was hesitant to pull the trigger. I spoke to a well-respected Burst expert and he told me to try a Faber first - the tonal difference would probably be imperceptible, and it would literally cost 1/30th of the money. A fellow forum member gave me a good deal on one. With an assist from Philadelphia Luthier on the brass posts and wheels, I was into an entirely new bridge assembly for relatively small change. EDIT: It's got a vintage ABR on it now, thanks to the same esteemed forum member who sold me the harness.

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For tuners I went with Grover PAF Rotomatics, my personal favorite. I splurged a bit for a set from 1959. There is a guy out in Portland who is the best source for old tuners if anyone is ever looking for the perfect vintage set for a project. I know the Grover vs. Kluson thing is debated to death, but I like everything about these and really do think they make the guitar sound better.

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I was much more interested in tonal upgrades than aesthetics, but I did have some cool plastic parts collected that put a nice finishing touch on the project. Bartlett rings are still my favorite; I know there are some other good choices, but these look so killer and the baby puke smell is just a bonus.

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The switch ring is vintage (late 60s) and looks better to me than the stock one, especially with the real deal '59 tip and washer.

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It all came together this weekend and is now finally done.

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Honestly, I loved the guitar before and was a little worried about messing with it. In hindsight that concern was unwarranted. This thing is incredible now. Obviously there's going to be a newlywed phase after such a project, but I'm seriously struggling to find the adjectives here. The pickups are phenomenal, with that "human voice" character that I have rarely found: they sing, they cry, they moan, they growl and snarl. They really sound alive. They don't overpower some of my amps the way a few of the hotter boutique winds I've tried did; they provide a sweet foundation on which to build sound with volume, overdrive, etc. They're remarkable.

One aspect of this project that I do regret a little is that I kind of wish I had done one thing at a time, so I could identify and appreciate how each individual part of the upgrade contributed. Right now it's hard, because everything is so different. It's like a different guitar. My buddy laughed and said, "it's probably just the new strings."

I couldn't be happier. Thanks for reading.

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UPDATE (Where the project stands as of 4/1/21):

Guitar: 2018 Gibson Les Paul 1959 Standard Reissue “R9” in Red Pine Burst (1/10)

Pickups: Gibson Patent Number (’62-’65) pickups with Stephens Design covers

Wiring: Gibson vintage (1959) wiring harness/jack/switch. Pot codes date to 35th week of 1959 (134935)

Knobs: Gibson vintage (late 50s) gold bonnet knobs/pointers

Bridge: Gibson vintage (late 50s) no-wire ABR bridge/thumbwheels

Tuners: Grover vintage (1959) PAF Rotomatic tuners

Switch Ring: Gibson vintage (late 60s) switch ring

Truss Rod Cover: Gibson vintage (late 50s) rolled TRC

Pickup rings: Bartlett M-69 V2 pickup rings

Tailpiece: Custom-milled tailpiece by Steve Hague

Pickguard: Mojoaxe aged PGH17A guard with vintage bracket

Bridge posts: Philadelphia Luthier Supply brass posts
 
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I'm still choked for you that the 50s husk slipped out of your hands! :mad2:
I hope those free Pat #s and original harness ease the pain...
Nice looking R9 man!
 
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That looks fantastic, I’m sure it sounds just as good! Glad to hear a sour situation turned into a good, albeit different one.
 

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It's true what they say. Every dark cloud has a silver lining!
Congrats for the guitar and the changes! It was looking amazing even before, but now you have transformed it into something else.

I have to admit I went pretty much the same route with my les paul as well, sourcing vintage pickups and electronics, high quality repro plastics and faber hardware. So I guess I know how it feels ;)

Would you mind sharing your source for the repro tailpiece? (even in private).

Thanks a lot!

Cheers
 

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I'm still choked that the 50s husk slipped out of your hands! :mad2:
I hope those free Pat #s and original harness ease the pain.
Nice looking R9 man!
Thanks, man. The husk debacle really sucked. Basically, I had a deal in place to buy it for WAY less than they typically go for, and a local luthier got wind of it (because of a comment I made to someone else on social media) and offered the owner almost twice what we had agreed upon. I was never even allowed to make a counter offer, because that luthier convinced the seller that I was trying to rip him off. I wasn't; that was just what I could afford to pay and still have money left over to properly restore it. Of course, that luthier turned around and immediately flipped it for even more money.
 

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Looks absolutely great. Are the pickup covers original to the Pat # pickups?
 

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you know that got me thinking...which is dangerous !!!

so your situation placing vintage parts into newer reproduction wood

versus

if someone obtained vintage 50's wood husk and placed repro parts on it

the the icing on the cake would be a comparison to an all original burst so you have 3 choices

im thinking what you experienced may have answered my thoughts but i wonder how noticable that difference would be ???

the 50's husk with repro parts would cost more than the opposite...im guessing

So maybe i should be hunting vintage parts and not husks....i got an R8 that could be the test dummy.....:hmm:

edit: i think i may have answered my own question....so i will go out on a limb and guess that putting a full original 50's harness with a set of original 50's PAFs would set you back $10k maybe and you would be lucky to day to find a 50's husk for $10k ......

soooo i would bet the $10k would be better spent on the pups and harness which i am guessing would get you closer for sound than just the husk would.....

ok so a few adult beverages made me run down this path.....see ya :wave:
 
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you know that got me thinking...which is dangerous !!!

so your situation placing vintage parts into newer reproduction wood

versus

if someone obtained vintage 50's wood husk and placed repro parts on it

the the icing on the cake would be a comparison to an all original burst so you have 3 choices

im thinking what you experienced may have answered my thoughts but i wonder how noticable that difference would be ???

the 50's husk with repro parts would cost more than the opposite...im guessing

So maybe i should be hunting vintage parts and not husks....i got an R8 that could be the test dummy.....:hmm:

edit: i think i may have answered my own question....so i will go out on a limb and guess that putting a full original 50's harness with a set of original 50's PAFs would set you back $10k maybe and you would be lucky to day to find a 50's husk for $10k ......

soooo i would bet the $10k would be better spent on the pups and harness which i am guessing would get you closer for sound than just the husk would.....

ok so a few adult beverages made me run down this path.....see ya
Yes, a vintage husk with repro parts would have cost more than going this route. The question is, of course, how much of a difference the old wood itself makes. In terms of look and feel, there is no comparison - I've played a few vintage LPs and you know as soon as you pick them up. The lacquer in particular is very different, even from the ones used by the top makeover guys.

But tonally? I think that is a different story. Vintage wood is drier, so perhaps more airy or "woody" sounding? Having now played this one for a few weeks, I don't think there would be that big of a difference. As Joe B told me once (and I recounted to someone else in a PM), the tone comes from what is under the hood.
 

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Sorry, I cannot respond to any more questions about the tailpiece.
 

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