R4 GT - price?

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Hi everyone,

What would people say is the going price for a brand new R4?

I have an opportunity to buy a new old stock R4 from 2012 for a good price, so was wondering what people would expect to pay for, say, a new 2017 R4?

Thanks! Will post photos if I go ahead with the purchase
 

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I bought a NOS 2011 R4 in 2014. I want to say it was around $2400-2500, but that's just me relying on memory.

EDIT: Just re-read the OP and realized that doesn't really answer your question. I don't have a good feel for a 2017 price.
 
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Ah ok, thanks for the info!

I have an offer to buy a 2012 R4 for $3,000 but now I'm starting to think that might be a bit rich...
 

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R4's tend to be higher priced so IMHO 3 Large is not high, especially if it is a good one.

The only thing that would impact price is if this has a bilayer RW FB.

Good luck.

:cheers2:
 

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Hi everyone,

What would people say is the going price for a brand new R4?

I have an opportunity to buy a new old stock R4 from 2012 for a good price, so was wondering what people would expect to pay for, say, a new 2017 R4?

Thanks! Will post photos if I go ahead with the purchase

I paid US $4200 for my 2017 GT R4. Could have paid a bit less if I haggled more, but didn't want to lost this particular guitar.

No way in hell would I pay $3000 for a 2012 with its two piece fretboard, trussrod condom, all Franklin Titebond glue, etc.

The 2017s have most of the True Historic specs.
 

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I paid US $4200 for my 2017 GT R4. Could have paid a bit less if I haggled more, but didn't want to lost this particular guitar.

No way in hell would I pay $3000 for a 2012 with its two piece fretboard, trussrod condom, all Franklin Titebond glue, etc.

The 2017s have most of the True Historic specs.

Truss rod condom...? Forgive my ignorance!

Went back to the store to try it out again, that thing SIZZLED, couldn't take my hands off it... Very tempted to go back and pull the trigger in a few days, but perhaps I'm being silly...
 

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Truss rod condom...? Forgive my ignorance!

Went back to the store to try it out again, that thing SIZZLED, couldn't take my hands off it... Very tempted to go back and pull the trigger in a few days, but perhaps I'm being silly...

There were a number of significant spec changes made to the Historic line from 2013 through 2017. Aniline dyes, removal of truss rod condom, hide glue on neck joint/fretboard (2014 on)/maple caps (2017), new Custombucker pickups, and other little tweaks.

The 2012's (with few exceptions) have layered fretboards (resulting from the US Govt. v. Gibson rosewood debacle of 2011); some say this makes the neck more stable, others say it could potentially cause a problem if you need to do a refret in the future; whatever your opinion on the matter is, there is no doubt that the layered board has affected the value of 2012s and made them harder to sell - at least for typical Historic prices.
 

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Don't let the 2012 crud stop you from buying the guitar if you really enjoy it. I've never played a 2012 that sounded crappy. I've also been able to sell any 2012 I've put up for sale without having to discount deeper for it. I just tell folks, that they are free to buy a different guitar if they don't like it.
That said, my '14 was purchased new in '15 for about $3800. Hopefully that helps.
 

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Don't let the 2012 crud stop you from buying the guitar if you really enjoy it. I've never played a 2012 that sounded crappy. I've also been able to sell any 2012 I've put up for sale without having to discount deeper for it. I just tell folks, that they are free to buy a different guitar if they don't like it.
That said, my '14 was purchased new in '15 for about $3800. Hopefully that helps.

+ 10, :thumb: :applause: I have had several older Historics from 2006, 2007, 2009 that left my friends Shanks for dead. I have had several 2003's that were also awesome Guitars.

I also have a Custom made Single Cut (not a Replica) that was made with Titebond in the Neck Pocket & Maple Cap. It is a killer Guitar in all ways.

So much for the mystique of Hide Glue, Condoms & Titebond.

A great Guitar is a great Guitar.

:cheers2:
 

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No one is saying that 2012's in general sound crappy (they are like any other year - a mix of good, bad, and in-between) - but the layered rosewood board has absolutely affected their value. Whether random people on the internet have experienced this hit in value is irrelevant - it's still a thing. If you need to sell the guitar, you can expect many educated buyers (if they're even interested - I know I wouldn't be!) to demand a discount because it's a 2012.

My 2017 R4 is a fantastic guitar - one of the best LPs I have ever owned - but I then again, I prefer the sound and feel of the 2013-present LPs (and there is a noticeable difference to me!) and no longer have interest in the pre-2013 Custom Shop models.
 

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