Quiet Quitting and Quiet Firing. A guide to passive aggressive employment.

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[edro]

Good times... the 80386 brought real (usable) multitasking to the PC and gave Windoze life. That was the real beginning of the PC outside of the office.

80386 was a game changer for sure BUT....

The 80486 did more to change the world than any other processor, for the damndest reason....

Simply put, Intel pissed AMD off when they screwed em out of making the 80486 MPU for Intel as they had built processors/chipsets for Intel for years and years...

AMD changed the landscape when they got pissed enough to 'Clean-Room' a '486 equivalent.... AMD, when doing it, made damn sure they could defend the process, knowing damn well the shit would hit the fan. It hit hard... AMD came out to the good.

That started the processor wars.... Apple was off to the side with the Motorola 68XXX family so not really a competitor at the time....

If you own the only hot dog stand in town, you can charge what you want... Then AMD shows up, sells hotdogs with chili at a cheaper price than Intel's plain hot dogs.... Think it out...

AMD made capability quickly go up and prices come down..... Intel had to compete for a change...somewhat lackluster though... AMD changed the game.... and in my opinion, is way ahead of Intel in capability and thought process....

Apple should have hooked up with AMD way back.... but moot now with the Apple M1/M2 Silicon technology....

Sooo, The 80286 was powerful as hell and faster even with same clock speed as 8088.....BUT the software needed to expand.... By the time the 80386 came out, we really began to have soe killer software in comparison to plain jane DOS apps.... Windows, OS/2 (better'n Windows)..... Windows went pretty first and OS/2 went power first.. IBM screwed the pooch on marketing OS/2 Warp..damned shame... Windows got better over time and apps got better and easier to use.....

Then Apple started getting really competitive....

 

[SteveC]

80386 was a game changer for sure BUT....

The 80486 did more to change the world than any other processor, for the damndest reason....

Simply put, Intel pissed AMD off when they screwed em out of making the 80486 MPU for Intel as they had built processors/chipsets for Intel for years and years...

AMD changed the landscape when they got pissed enough to 'Clean-Room' a '486 equivalent.... AMD, when doing it, made damn sure they could defend the process, knowing damn well the shit would hit the fan. It hit hard... AMD came out to the good.

That started the processor wars.... Apple was off to the side with the Motorola 68XXX family so not really a competitor at the time....

If you own the only hot dog stand in town, you can charge what you want... Then AMD shows up, sells hotdogs with chili at a cheaper price than Intel's plain hot dogs.... Think it out...

AMD made capability quickly go up and prices come down..... Intel had to compete for a change...somewhat lackluster though... AMD changed the game.... and in my opinion, is way ahead of Intel in capability and thought process....

Apple should have hooked up with AMD way back.... but moot now with the Apple M1/M2 Silicon technology....

Sooo, The 80286 was powerful as hell and faster even with same clock speed as 8088.....BUT the software needed to expand.... By the time the 80386 came out, we really began to have soe killer software in comparison to plain jane DOS apps.... Windows, OS/2 (better'n Windows)..... Windows went pretty first and OS/2 went power first.. IBM screwed the pooch on marketing OS/2 Warp..damned shame... Windows got better over time and apps got better and easier to use.....

Then Apple started getting really competitive....

I remember when the AM486 came out.

We had to sign NDA's when AMD came to us for ATE for the 486. They wanted to overclock some of the processors and that required different vectors. The test vectors were gold. They also had to different enough, and sequenced differently than Intel's routines. And, the wafer probe fixtures were patented by Intel, so they needed to solve that problem, too.

My team spent six months in Malaysia installing 25 package testers and 5 wafer testers. That was the single largest order we ever received.... $27.5MM.

 

[ErictheRed]

I would have given it had it been asked, my issue was it being taken for granted.

What they were in the habit of doing was heading out to the other location, working through their lunch break and heading home at 3. That they could get away with, because they had the right to go home early and they could fudge it. But then the command came down, make sure your guys take their lunches when they come to our shop. OK, but they still had the expectation of leaving early. And when they seem to legitimately think that they're entitled to it, that's where I put my foot down.

Same with smoke breaks - if we're quiet then sure, sneak out the back door and suck on your vape, but never forget that it's a privilege and not an entitlement. I'm pretty chill with my guys, I don't ask them to bust their asses if it's not needed, we have a lot of chill time and I generally let them take as much time off as they want. But if I give an order and I get talkback... holy fuck do I steam.

It still sounds to me like you're expecting them to find something to do on their own for the last 30 minutes of a day of hard work, which is a little unreasonable. It's not unreasonable for you to expect them to keep working, but perhaps before you left the other job site you could have said: "Thanks for all of the great work today guys! Now when we get back we still need to take care of ______, and if we knock that out quickly we'll still be home a little earlier than usual." Praise their hard work, give them some instructions and a small reward to work towards.

When you're in a position of leadership and things don't go as you'd like, you really need to ask yourself what you might have done differently to have achieved the outcome you wanted. Sometimes it's not your fault, sometimes the underlings truly are to blame, but you still need to reflect and think about it.

 

[Zylo]

The current older generation will look down with disdain on the current younger generation..
The current young generation when they get older will look down on the young generation of their time with disdain..
always has been and always will be....

 

[LPMarshall Hack]

The current older generation will look down with disdain on the current younger generation..
The current young generation when they get older will look down on the young generation of their time with disdain..
always has been and always will be....

Yea, but THIS time…

 

[rfrizz]

80386 was a game changer for sure BUT....

The 80486 did more to change the world than any other processor, for the damndest reason....

Simply put, Intel pissed AMD off when they screwed em out of making the 80486 MPU for Intel as they had built processors/chipsets for Intel for years and years...

I just want a photo-realistic flight sim with high frame rates. I think @TheX will agree.

 

[Dolebludger]

Actually, I don’t know jack about chips, processors, and all this computer jargon — and don’t really care to learn about it. I presume it is relevant to the subject of this thread (Quiet quitting) because these things allow some employees to work from home — not to quiet quit — just to work from home. Now on the topic of working from home. With the health emergency essentially over, not all employees still working from home are doing so because they refuse to return to an office. Two of my adult daughters (age 51 and 53) are Vice Presidents of something with their major companies. They are still working from home, but not because they won’t return to their offices. If ordered to do so, they’d go in a New York minute! No, their employers are happy with the way things are, and I doubt that there old offices still physically exist. The employers probably don’t rent that space any more, and are now pocketing what used to be rent money. And the daughters are still hard at work.

Where there is a problem is with jobs that can’t be remotely done, like jobs directly in the hospitality and travel industry for example. And in those industries, quality and service have gone to Hell, to my observation. To be sure, these jobs are short staffed. But the employees working in them don’t seem to know anything, or give a damn. Just a few years ago, they would have been fired. Not now. No replacements.

 

[MikeyTheCat]

80386 was a game changer for sure BUT....

The 80486 did more to change the world than any other processor, for the damndest reason....

Simply put, Intel pissed AMD off when they screwed em out of making the 80486 MPU for Intel as they had built processors/chipsets for Intel for years and years...

AMD changed the landscape when they got pissed enough to 'Clean-Room' a '486 equivalent.... AMD, when doing it, made damn sure they could defend the process, knowing damn well the shit would hit the fan. It hit hard... AMD came out to the good.

That started the processor wars.... Apple was off to the side with the Motorola 68XXX family so not really a competitor at the time....

If you own the only hot dog stand in town, you can charge what you want... Then AMD shows up, sells hotdogs with chili at a cheaper price than Intel's plain hot dogs.... Think it out...

AMD made capability quickly go up and prices come down..... Intel had to compete for a change...somewhat lackluster though... AMD changed the game.... and in my opinion, is way ahead of Intel in capability and thought process....

Apple should have hooked up with AMD way back.... but moot now with the Apple M1/M2 Silicon technology....

Sooo, The 80286 was powerful as hell and faster even with same clock speed as 8088.....BUT the software needed to expand.... By the time the 80386 came out, we really began to have soe killer software in comparison to plain jane DOS apps.... Windows, OS/2 (better'n Windows)..... Windows went pretty first and OS/2 went power first.. IBM screwed the pooch on marketing OS/2 Warp..damned shame... Windows got better over time and apps got better and easier to use.....

Then Apple started getting really competitive....

Ever fit a 5 meg C++ app into less than 640K of memory? Good times breaking that app into pages and minimizing swapping. To be honest those days in the 90's were some of the best of my professional life.

 

[MikeyTheCat]

I remember when the AM486 came out.

We had to sign NDA's when AMD came to us for ATE for the 486. They wanted to overclock some of the processors and that required different vectors. The test vectors were gold. They also had to different enough, and sequenced differently than Intel's routines. And, the wafer probe fixtures were patented by Intel, so they needed to solve that problem, too.

My team spent six months in Malaysia installing 25 package testers and 5 wafer testers. That was the single largest order we ever received.... $27.5MM.

Those were good days. Back then we had to actually know something.

 

[edro]

Actually, I don’t know jack about chips, processors, and all this computer jargon — and don’t really care to learn about it.

And you don't want to know, Dole...

So much useless information bouncing in some of our skulls, we ain't got room to learn any new tricks....

They say we use 10% of our ears separator, I think I'm running flat out at 10%.... I got shorted....

 

[edro]

I remember when the AM486 came out.

We had to sign NDA's when AMD came to us for ATE for the 486. They wanted to overclock some of the processors and that required different vectors. The test vectors were gold. They also had to different enough, and sequenced differently than Intel's routines. And, the wafer probe fixtures were patented by Intel, so they needed to solve that problem, too.

My team spent six months in Malaysia installing 25 package testers and 5 wafer testers. That was the single largest order we ever received.... $27.5MM.

Funny thing, Intel pulled off a major farkup....on themselves.... Had they continued sharing/OEM with AMD, everything would have been cool.... but nooooooooo, they had to play close to the vest....and it has cost them increasingly more money every year that they DON'T make on processors....

 

[efstop]

Funny thing, Intel pulled off a major farkup....on themselves.... Had they continued sharing/OEM with AMD, everything would have been cool.... but nooooooooo, they had to play close to the vest....and it has cost them increasingly more money every year that they DON'T make on processors....

I bought a used pair of Intel Pentium Pro 200 MHz 1M cache processors for an old IBM dual socket beast I had. Early 2000s. I paid $35 for the pair, I think. I had to also buy a used voltage regulator because with only one proc installed, IBM didn't install the VM for the empty one. I believe that in 1993 those PPs were listed at $5,350 for a pair. I overclocked 'em to 230 and ran Windows 2000 on it. Like NT, it was rock solid.

 

[rogue3]

Just my own situation to speak of:

This issue, both ways, is top of the pops today for me at work, as i navigate to quitting...

uh, as my boss says in my performance appraisal a month ago...for a 66 going on 67 year old man(!), no, not quitting,retiring. Do i stay or do i go boss? The imminent need seems to be they need me.Lucky me.

Or ,to quote George Costanza from Seinfeld,i have hand. Today.Tomorrow, who know's? Just need it for a little longer.
below one of the funniest 2 min clips from Seinfeld i can recall...because it has Kramer! Giddyup!

 

[rogue3]

I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, it keeps a company lean and mean. I’ve hated working with slackoff jackoffs that didn’t know shit about anything.
On the other hand, some bosses just don’t like a guy, for no good goddam reason whatsoever. This could be used to harass a guy into quitting , and I can’t support that.
I’ve seen both happen, and as a union guy, I’ve certainly seen the slowbells.
The ILWU are fucking MASTERS at it.

That was brilliant M&M!

Just my own situation to speak of:

This issue, both ways, is top of the pops today for me at work, as i navigate to quitting...

A Union is poised to take over my workplace...the environment is filled with deceipt!

I'm no fool, i have my haters, cloaked in deeds of do-goodery, up to my eyeballs.Minefield.

uh, as my boss says in my performance appraisal a month ago...for a 66 going on 67 year old man(!), no, not quitting,retiring. Do i stay or do i go boss? The imminent need seems to be they need me.Lucky me. If quiet firing starts encroaching on my turf, ripcord handy, i'm gone...but just a little longer to fatten my retirement savings would be perfect.

Or ,to quote George Costanza from Seinfeld, who wanted it , i have hand. Today.Tomorrow, who know's? Just need it for a little longer.
below one of the funniest 2 min clips from Seinfeld i can recall...because it has Kramer! Giddyup!

 

[pnuggett]

 

[PeteK]

The current older generation will look down with disdain on the current younger generation..
The current young generation when they get older will look down on the young generation of their time with disdain..
always has been and always will be....

“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” - Socrates, 470BC​

Yep. Old farts have only been bitching about it for 2500 years now.

 

[Zylo]

It's fair to say,
We have moved on from our young carefree rebellious selves to being the old farts.

 

[brianbzed]

Most times in the last 10 years, when people say millennial, they really mean Gen Z. I've seen a lot of comments and articles and news stories about "quiet quitting" and the go-to people to place the blame on are still millennials. I'm not talking you specifically. Society in general does it all the time.

This particular issue I find extra silly since I think it is something that every generation has done for decades. Everyone wants to act like they were the one who always busted their ass no matter what. Maybe those people really are the eagle scouts they claim to be. But in my experience, looking around everywhere I've ever worked, most people are closer to the "quiet quitting" side of the spectrum rather than the "above and beyond" side. There are obviously the people that do go above and beyond, but they are the exceptions in my experience.

I must admit that I'm old school, what we referred to as the "work ethic" is largely a thing of the past. Do you feel like you're stuck in a lousy job, with a lousy boss? We would suck it up, not complain on the job, learn the skills and gain the experience, and get a BETTER job. Being in the Military helped my mental toughness. Slackers and whiners never lasted long.....and yeah, I AM an Eagle Scout. Doing the bare minimum was never an option.

 

[PeteK]

I must admit that I'm old school, what we referred to as the "work ethic" is largely a thing of the past. Do you feel like you're stuck in a lousy job, with a lousy boss? We would suck it up, not complain on the job, learn the skills and gain the experience, and get a BETTER job. Being in the Military helped my mental toughness. Slackers and whiners never lasted long.....and yeah, I AM an Eagle Scout. Doing the bare minimum was never an option.

When I started my career back in 2002, there were a lot of old timers at the plant I worked at. They were retirement age back then, so probably working age from the 70's through the early 00's. I regularly heard stories about drinking beer on the job, playing pranks on people on the job, the crazy lengths people went to to find the perfect napping spot where they wouldn't be caught by the boss, games they played at work to kill time, etc. Some even more egregious stories included stealing tools and wrecking company vehicles. Oh, and plenty of bitching and complaining about asshole bosses, bullshit job assignments, stupid policies, and finding any possible way to do the absolute bare minimum. All with not a millennial or gen z in sight in their heyday.

If I asked those same guys today if they think their work ethic was better than a 20 year old today, I'm sure they would adamantly say yes and they would rant about "these damn kids these days". It's the same as it ever was.