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I thought I knew the answer to this and everyone else did too but it seems there are a lot of differing opinions. I know that in the end your pickups should be adjusted to what sounds good to you but here are the tips from a few manufacturers and luthiers:

DiMarzio:

There is no specific distance that works best for everyone. We measure string height from the top of the polepiece to the bottom of the string when the string (usually the high or low E) is held down at the highest fret. For standard, full-size humbuckers, a reasonable starting point for the bridge pickup is at least 1/16" (1.5mm) from the high E and 5/64" (2 mm) from the low E. There are no recommended distances for the other 4 strings. Their polepieces should be adjusted (if necessary) by ear in relation to the volume established for the first and sixth strings. Once the bridge pickup is adjusted to a useful distance, the neck pickup can be adjusted by ear for a good balance.

Gibson:

None of the suggestions here in Tone Tips are “bad/better/best” directives. Different approaches suit different playing styles and tonal preferences. It’s best to experiment with different heights and see what works for you.

Measuring between the top of the pickups and the bottom of the strings, with the strings depressed at the last fret, the best advice is to start with a gap of 1/16 inch between bridge pickup and strings and 3/32 inch between neck pickup and strings, and this makes a good general base from which to launch your own experiments. If you really do want more drive and intensity for a hot, compressed crunch to lead sound at all times, you might want your pickups a little closer to the strings, within reason. If you want more balance, air, warmth, and definition, along with less mud, chances are that moving them a little further away might do it for you. Play around with it for yourself—it’s the easiest “mod” you can do—and remember to experiment with your amp and pedal settings as you do so, because a new pickup height adjustment might require you to find some new preferred settings on other gear to achieve your ideal tone.

Seymour Duncan:

Seymour recommends that when the strings are pressed down at the highest fret: a neck humbucker be set 1/8" from the strings. A bridge humbucker be set 1/16" at the high E-string and 3/32" at the low E-string.

PRS:

The pickups on your new instrument are fully adjustable by turning the height adjustment screws at each end of the pickup. With the high and low E strings (E and G strings for the Electric Bass) depressed at the last fret the measurement should about 2.5/32 (5/64”) on the treble side and about 3/32” on the bass side of both pickups. You may season to taste if you wish.

Lollar:

Pickup Adjustment: For best results Fender style pickups or pickups with non-adjustable poles are meant to be located approximately 1/8" below the strings. Gibson style pickups or pickups with adjustable poles work best as close to the strings as possible. The above instructions are just a guideline for a place to start with your adjustment, raising or lowering either type of pickup can have dramatic tone and volume results.

Bill Lawrence:

As a general rule for the bridge pickup - put a nickel on top of the pickup under the high E string and play the highest note on that string. Adjust the height on that side of the pickup till the string touches the nickel. Repeat the same with the low E string, but use two nickels on top of each other. If this gives you too much output, you can reduce the height slightly. Don't forget that twice the distance will reduce the output by about 60%, and the sound will lose some lows. NOW, you can adjust the neck pickup to match the output of the bridge pickup. For the sound test, use stage volume.

That was a few and certainly not all. Notice that Bill Lawrence has the greatest distance for his staring point?

All you guys who have your pickups even with your pickup rings need to go back and reread what the EXPERTS are saying. I may even do some experiments with my own pickups' heights.
 

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Well, I posted to the other thread if you care to read. This actually completely supports what I believe to be true! According to Gibson, if I want a more balanced, warmer tone with less mud AND greater definition, then I should LOWER my pickup!

Thanks for posting and thanks for the help as I now have proof that I am correct.
 

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...read what the EXPERTS are saying.

I adjust them until they sound and feel right to me, not to what someone else likes. I look at what those guys have to say as being general guidelines or starting points.
 

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Dude, you have been rude and antagonistic towards me from the start. You don't listen to people who are experts (not me) or seem to understand basic pickup magnetic theory. I must consider further posts from you in my threads simple trolling.

Please stay off MLP while you are at work. I'd hate for you to be distracted and put the wrong toy in some kid's happy meal.

OK, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I went back and re read all the posts I made regarding your comments to see if maybe I was too harsh or disrespectful in any way. Seems you think I'm rude and antagonistic simply because I disagree with you. The comments don't lie.

First post..#41..you quoted me where I simply said I believe the OPs pickups were too high...you responded with Dan Erlewine (nothing rude in my post there)

Second post..#53...I simply quote tone tips from Gibson.com. I then ask why I never see a LP come from Gibson set up that way. Finally TO THE OP I say, leave them there. Enjoy the lack of clarity and terrible tone. Again, nothing even directed towards YOU....and if saying to the OP enjoy the lack of clarity and terrible tone is rude and antagonistic, I apologize.

Third post...#58...You quote me again and ask to hear my guitar when I never told YOU to keep your pickups where they are nor did I say YOUR guitar lacked clarity. YOU implied that I said that which was incorrect. (I told the OP)

Fourth post #61...I respond by asking why most agree with me (certainly not rude) I said your tone wasn't bad but could improve (my opinion and certainly not rude) I say if you like them there, keep em. I don't think your getting the guitars full potential (certainly not rude). I disagree with you and say that the angle of Pearly Gates is hard to tell pickup height. (again, nothing rude) Then I go on to tell of my own personal experience. Was I rude because I used the word reiterate?

So,... so far you say I was rude and antagonistic towards you from the beginning yet I don't find even one word, let alone a complete sentence that supports that.

Fifth post..#62..Then you respond with "Dude, this is my final comment"....as if you've had enough of me and yet, I find not one rude or disrespectful comment I've made towards you. You simply disagree with me and are getting angry. Why, I don't know as I'm just giving an opinion. Then YOU say "to help you".....kind of sarcastic as I didn't ask for help. Yet I'm the rude one.

Sixth post..#66...I do nothing more than correct what you have misconstrewed...find the rude comments because I cannot. Please tell me where I am being disrespectful towards you in this post.

Well, thats the end of the posts...not one disrespectful word, no foul language and I certainly wasn't rude. What tiny bit of sarcasm exists, wasn't even directed at you.

And now, you resort to insulting me saying that I spend my days working at McDonalds (very mature)...and I'm trolling Wow! Another 6'6" MMA fighter behind a keyboard. Guaranteed you'd choose your words more wisely in person.

I actually hope the mods of MLP get involved because I don't appreciate your rude comments nor being called a troll nor your insulting remark simply because you disagree with my opinion. Re read all the posts, especially your last one and see who is rude and disrespectful.

For the record, I'll quote you...."Dude, this is my final comment!"
 

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Yes, definitely trolling.
 

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That's the only comment you have? You can't quote me where I was rude and disrespectful? Interesting. I really would like to see what it is I said that upset you so terribly.

Well, I guess if giving your opinion on MLP is trolling, I'm going to continue to do so just like everyone else.
 

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JimmyAce's Billy Gibbons Les Paul pickup height came set as per Gibson's instructions.
 

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Just to lighten things up a little :)......here's my way of adjusting pickups.

I use a PAF type output and I like them to sound sweet.

I set my amp clean but with a bit of grit to let it breathe....start with the pickups a litle lower than you would assume they need to be.

Using the bridge pickup fret a top E note at the 12fth fret and listen to the note.
Does it die away quickly? If it does raise the pickup a little so that when you strike the note you can hear the note grow a little after it has been initially struck. It kind of "blooms".....that's the sweet spot!

If you go too high there is no "growth" in the note it's just loud from the start.

Do the same with the low E at the 12fth fret and listen for the same effect.....you may now have to slightly readjust the top E note to allow for the pickup being raised at the bas side......maybe not.

Do the same with the neck pickup....taking care with the bass side as it is very strong at the neck.

I liken it to someone using a skipping rope!! When you strike the string it forms an elliptical wave as it moves up and down and side to side.....if the bottom of that wave just touches the top of the pickup without "crashing" in to it then the pickup and the guitars voice can breathe....

It's all done by listening and not measuring.....you do end up with something you can measure for your guitar with your pickup.

Another important point is to make sure each string is as loud as the others...usually for me I have to raise the D string pole piece a little.
If you can't hear the D and G strings in a chord the guitar will sound weak...

It's just a different way and you can't hurt anything but it teaches you to actually listen to your guitar!!:)
 

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Brian, that's essentially the way I do it - adjust them until they sound and feel right. All those measurements that are published are just reference points to start with if someone wants that sort of thing. My method is a bit different than yours; I set the height to how the pups sound with open strings and chords and then palm muted strings played at lower registers - but that's what works for ME and may not work for YOU. It all depends on what you're after and your playing style and anyone saying that pickup height must be set a certain way is full of crap; there's a reason why there are adjustment screw on pickups and that reason is to allow the guitar's owner to adjust them to what works for that particular individual.

Getting into specifics, here is what works for me:

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/pickups/61220-how-high.html#post1171225
 

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Brian, that's essentially the way I do it - adjust them until they sound and feel right. All those measurements that are published are just reference points to start with if someone wants that sort of thing. My method is a bit different than yours; I set the height to how the pups sound with open strings and chords and then palm muted strings played at lower registers - but that's what works for ME and may not work for YOU. It all depends on what you're after and your playing style and anyone saying that pickup height must be set a certain way is full of crap; there's a reason why there are adjustment screw on pickups and that reason is to allow the guitar's owner to adjust them to what works for that particular individual.

Getting into specifics, here is what works for me:

http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/pickups/61220-how-high.html#post1171225

That's it in a nutshell!:thumb:

You adjust your pickups in your guitar to suit YOU! That's what it's all about!
How we achieve what is best for us doesn't really matter as long as we are happy with the sound of our guitar.........:)

To worry that you are a 16th higher/lower than recommended specs is time that could be spent on other things!:)
 

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That's it in a nutshell!:thumb:

You adjust your pickups in your guitar to suit YOU! That's what it's all about!
How we achieve what is best for us doesn't really matter as long as we are happy with the sound of our guitar.........:)

To worry that you are a 16th higher/lower than recommended specs is time that could be spent on other things!:)

And that's EXACTLY what I've said all along. With guys telling some kid who doesn't know better that his pickups are "waaay too high", I disagreed and said that it looked fine to me. So did several other guys. The people that MAKE those pickups are telling us where to start. Where you end up is up to YOU. However, a suggestion that a person experiment with a different height is a good idea. Telling them that they're definitely wrong with something that's a matter of taste seems stupid to me.
 

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Thanks for the info, BrianGT. I'm going to try that as soon as I can.
 

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